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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

People with a cervix

342 replies

Globules · 28/02/2025 18:20

This has really annoyed me.

Official documentation from the NHS, aka the national medical professionals, should know that it's ONLY women who have a cervix.

What is this non sentence of all women and people with a cervix?

People with a cervix
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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 28/02/2025 19:31

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:50

Women AND trans men.

It’s really no effort to include people.

Trans men are women, people can’t change sex.

Elmo2025 · 28/02/2025 19:32

It’s probably aimed at people who don’t identify as a woman but have a cervix. So the they/them folk. I work with someone who is genetically female but is non binary so wouldn’t identify as a woman but has a cervix.

Catza · 28/02/2025 19:32

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:29

And did you stop being a woman?

No. I didn't think so.

But she stopped needing a bloody cervical screening which is what the post is about.

CanadianJohn · 28/02/2025 19:34

TheNinny · 28/02/2025 19:01

This shite is always forced on women. Bet there won’t be nhs letters with ‘people with a prostate’ anytime soon.

I'm in Canada, our local health authority advises "people with a prostate" to get a PSA test.

Fair's fair, I guess.

Hwi · 28/02/2025 19:34

This one does not bother me at all - probably trying to be able to help people with mental health problems, i.e. those who do not believe in biology. What bothers me is that they ask men if they might be pregnant before every X-ray. That bothers me.

PerkyTitan · 28/02/2025 19:34

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:21

It’s a way of including trans men.

It’s a couple of extra words to make people feel more comfortable.

It’s a good thing.

This 🔺

Suck it up butter cup

Oldermum84 · 28/02/2025 19:36

I have no idea why people get annoyed by things like this. It's inclusive language. It's a good thing. And it's not just about included trans men it includes those who identify as non binary etc.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:38

Goinggonegone · 28/02/2025 18:54

I think its because some transmen would refuse smear tests because they don't see themselves as female.
In response to another poster, saying "people born female" wouldn't work, as some of us no longer have cervixes.

Well that's their problem then if they are this ignorant and suffering from a mental illness to such an extent they genuinely believe they no longer have a female body, female internal sex organs and female chromosomes and DNA. Perhaps then it's the survival of the fittest if they don't realise they're still female. In that case they need intensive psychiatric therapy.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:39

arethereanyleftatall · 28/02/2025 19:15

I think its because some transmen would refuse smear tests because they don't see themselves as female.

If they are that stupid and narcissistic, that's a risk they take. What they need is psychological help.

Yep. I would feel no sympathy at all for them if they didn't get the tests and something happened. Too bad so sad. Sorry not sorry. They made their bed.

People need to start taking responsibility for their lives, that includes mental health.

ExitPursuedByAPolarBear · 28/02/2025 19:40

I wasn’t trying to be obtuse, I must admit that I was confused because I thought it was always called cervical screening, but then noticed the text underneath that and I’m not sure how to feel about that. I mean the phrasing sounds odd and can be considered offensive, but I suppose it’s supposed to be more inclusive? But isn’t it implied from the cervical screening that it’s people who have a cervix ergo the cervical screening?

CaptainFuture · 28/02/2025 19:40

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:27

I think anyone holding this much disdain for millions of individuals needs psychiatric help, honestly shocking.

If you don’t agree with their beliefs, that’s fine- it’s the same as anything else but trans people still deserve the same treatment as everyone else, especially access to healthcare.

Who's denying them access to safe health care? Are the signs saying 'if you are choosing to portray yourself as someone of the opposite sex, you wont get health care'?

SlipDigby · 28/02/2025 19:41

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:50

Women AND trans men.

It’s really no effort to include people.

By that reckoning, you are erasing transwomen who don't have cervixes.

ERthree · 28/02/2025 19:41

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:21

It’s a way of including trans men.

It’s a couple of extra words to make people feel more comfortable.

It’s a good thing.

Only women have a cervix.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:41

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:19

Absolutely this, people on mumsnet aren’t too kind when it comes to this topic unfortunately.

I am a person with a cervix and it doesn’t make me feel any less of a woman to be referred to as such but the inclusive language could encourage a trans man to get checked and save his life. Sounds like a win to me.

If handmaidens want to use dehumanising misogynistic language to appease unwell people with delusions, that's their choice. But don't expect the majority of women to join you.

AnSolas · 28/02/2025 19:41

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:31

Please research trans people in history, it isn’t a new thing and in some cultures was widely understood and accepted. I understand your position but it’s worth fully understanding even if your feelings stay the same.

Which cultures widely understood and accepted that women could opt out of being classed as women?

What righs or obligations were these group of "non-women women" offered which was not available to women as a class?

TitusMoan · 28/02/2025 19:41

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:50

Women AND trans men.

It’s really no effort to include people.

Trans men ARE women. So they’re already included. And they already know that.

ExitPursuedByAPolarBear · 28/02/2025 19:42

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:39

Yep. I would feel no sympathy at all for them if they didn't get the tests and something happened. Too bad so sad. Sorry not sorry. They made their bed.

People need to start taking responsibility for their lives, that includes mental health.

I think the same goes for people who aren’t transmen. We are all responsible for own health and if there is an emotional/mental/physical disorder that’s preventing people from taking care of their own health, I’m not sure whose responsibility that is?

Moier · 28/02/2025 19:43

What annoys me more is .. that the start age is 25.. it should start as soon as you become sexual active.
So many young women getting cervical cancer under 25 years of age.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:44

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:27

I think anyone holding this much disdain for millions of individuals needs psychiatric help, honestly shocking.

If you don’t agree with their beliefs, that’s fine- it’s the same as anything else but trans people still deserve the same treatment as everyone else, especially access to healthcare.

Calling women 'cervix havers' is the ultimate in disdain, so I feel you are gaslighting. Trans people are still either male or female. They don't need any special term, and they still have the same access to their sex-based treatment as everyone else.

TidyDancer · 28/02/2025 19:45

The waters should never be muddied on this.

Someone I know got called for cervical screening because he has changed his NHS record to say he is female. He was highly amused by this but if there are men who are getting this kind of letter because they have taken on an alternative gender identity then there will be women in the same position who are missing out on screening because they have changed their records to say they are men.

The solution is not to have this daft wording, it's to have all NHS records reflect sex and not ideologies such as gender identity. People who believe they are trans know exactly what body parts they have so there is no need for this.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:46

Catza · 28/02/2025 19:28

Well again, perhaps your perspective is a bit skewed since you are not transgender. What you believe they know and feel and what makes them feel included is largely irrelevant. You can advocate to be called whatever you want to be called and so can they. So maybe saying "women and people with a cervix" satisfies both parties. Is that not acceptable to you?
I am still struggling to see how someone being called "a person" is dehumanizing

It's not the word 'person'. Its cervix. It's that they are reducing WOMEN (trans men) to sex organs.

No one changes sex. Trans men are women and we shouldn't be indulging this mental illness.

Carouselfish · 28/02/2025 19:47

Whar about the pretend cats? Why didn't they say people and animals with a cervix.

BodyKeepingScore · 28/02/2025 19:47

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:21

It’s a way of including trans men.

It’s a couple of extra words to make people feel more comfortable.

It’s a good thing.

No. It's not. It disadvantages women for whom English may not be their first language, it erases women from medical literature that should be solely focused on women as the priority, and it is fundamentally ludicrous. Trans men know they are female. There is nothing offensive about acknowledging their biological reality, particularly when it comes to making sure they attend to the basic screening needs their biology demands.

Quercus5 · 28/02/2025 19:48

In Edinburgh screening is for people with a cervix. No mention of women.

People with a cervix
BodyKeepingScore · 28/02/2025 19:49

Softpebbles · 28/02/2025 18:55

Actually, just putting it out there that some women don’t have a cervix.

Mine was removed during my hysterectomy!

Then you don't need your cervix checked do you? Nobody is saying all women have a cervix, we're saying that only women have a cervix.