Mumsnet listed as Anti-Trans

[Hoosemover]

there a list of organisations and Mumsnet is on it. Along with the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

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Perhaps the font is insufficiently femininely pink, fluffy and decorated with snowdrops, and therefore invisible to The Right Side of History?

That may be the problem

I have never seen the term gender critical feminist used here

then you haven’t been paying attention

I see.

So you see the differences between 'the transes' and transgender people.

But you also don't acknowledge that a group of people will adopt dehumanising terms, that they have been vilified as, as a form of rebellion, which would account for some people using it as a badge of honour.

Very few people who are feminists drop the 'feminist' if they even use the 'gender critical' about themselves. They may however use the term to describe their beliefs such as 'gender critical beliefs'. eg. they may say they are 'gender critical', which is short for 'gender critical beliefs.'

It seems you don't understand the origins of the term 'gender critical' at all. But still, you wish to use the term 'the GC' as what, a form of retribution?

And the humanising suffix of 'ist' is why 'genderist' is already a humanised form of descriptor.

Gender ideologist or genderist would be the same as calling someone a feminism as someone up thread has already explained.

As I said, people can describe themselves as being 'gender critical' but this is again not comparative to being described as 'the GC'. In this form 'gender critical' is a description of a set of beliefs, but 'the GC' is describing a group of people.

I have only ever seen the posters here call themselves gender critical, or gender critics, I have never seen the term gender critical feminist used here. So I haven't taken the feminist away from you, it was dropped by yourselves.

I'm sure I use it a lot (or 'GC feminist' ). Of course people on here do use GC as an abbreviation but as this is explicitly a 'Feminism:' board that part is implicit!

I see.

You don't understand what I'm saying and have decided to take as insult.

The GC is simply short for the gender critics

Referring to a group of people as gender critics, or anything critics is not dehumanising. Only people can be critics.

Nobody claims film critics have been dehumanised by being called 'the critics' so I don't see what the issue is here.

And yes, I have seen people refer to themselves as both gender critical and a gender critic here. I don't know the origin of the terms because it's not a movement I have any interest in. I only know the terms as I see them used here being used by people most often to describe themselves.

So if you refer to yourself as gender critical the feminist bit is implicit because we are discussing on a feminist board.

But if I refer to you as a gender critic (GC) the feminist isn't implied, even though we're still discussing on the feminist board.

Make it make sense.

'I have seen people refer to themselves as both gender critical and a gender critic here.'

And this is nothing like the dehumanisation aspect of calling a group 'the GC'

Yes, it is a legitimate descriptor of a person to say they are 'gender critical' or 'a gender critic'. That is directly describing a person's beliefs.

A 'film critic' is a job description, not a group with some common beliefs. This is an irrelevant comparison.

Calling a group are 'the GCs' is like calling a group 'the transes'. In any case, you also used this term as a derogatory term, just as I would consider 'the transes' would be if someone who opposed their beliefs referred to a group in that way.

And again, this is because the original term has been so overused by a group of activists who have deliberately misused the term.

You can describe someone as 'a gender critic'. But you didn't. You called a group 'the GCs', as if they are objects not people. You may not have intended this, but this is the outcome regardless of your intentions.

We are explaining to you the origins of the term and how it has been used to derogate feminists.

No most apps are pro the right of women and children to.

For me, Sailor, the bit that is rude is calling us 'The GC' when we are right here on the thread.

You may as well call us the cat's mother, if you know that phrase.

What would you prefer?

You lot? A list of names? The collective group whom use this group of terms?

“You lot” is also dehumanising.

How about feminists?

What would you prefer?

I'm quite partial to UnFeminine WomanningWrongly NotBeingKindddd Spawn of Beelzebub WrongThinker. Kind of rolls off the tongue, I think.

Or, how about Wrong Side of History?

The GCs, short for gender critics, describing multiple people. I cannot call multiple people a gender critic. It has to be gender critics, plural. I thought this would be obvious especially to someone who is always a stickler for language and how words must be used in their original forms and not updating it for modern usage.

The equivalent for trans people would be using The TW for 'the trans women' when talking about a group of trans women who are all doing the same thing as a group. I.e. the TW who use hormones. Not offensive, not derogatory, not dehumanising.

You are clearly choosing to see something you want to see.

Not all feminists use the terms gender critics use so to say feminists follow that script of terms would be inaccurate.

You would like gender critics to collectively referred to as the wrong side of history?

Seems fitting.

You seem to be stuck on calling people ‘gender critics’.

Can you please explain where you have the impression that this is even a used term?

People can just say gender critical feminist/s or gender critical people.

And no, ‘women’ is already a humanising descriptor.

”the GCs” = “you lot”. Both are meant to be dehumanising.

But by all means, call us what ever you want. You are perfectly free to. But we can just keep pointing out that you seem to be keen on dehumanising us.

Gender critical people

like other would say trans people

and you can use gender critical women and gender critical men

its honestly not difficult

Honestly, where have you picked up that people refer to people who reject sex stereotypes and gender identity as the collective grouping of ‘gender critics’?

You would think it wouldn’t be hard, but I guess it is if your intention is to be derisory about the group of people you are referring to and use the label as a derogatory term.

Yes, yes I do want you to call people who understand that mammalian sex is determined at conception and is immutable, the Wrong Side of History. I would be utterly grateful for you to shout this loud and clear, everywhere, repeatedly. If you would also add the thing about being Evil Spawn of Demons, it would be even better.

I mean this with all sincerity.

Not all feminists use the terms gender critics use

Afaik none of us use the term 'gender critics'😂

Gender critical feminist.

Operation: Let them speak in action hey Kuc?