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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Actual gender critical left

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JumpingPumpkin · 29/01/2025 14:18

I read this on their FB page today. I'm under no illusions as to whether Trump is genuinely supportive of women's rights (I don't believe he is), however I don't see how any of this was going to get resolved with the insane left in power.

There was no indication that any rollback was going to happen with Biden/Harris. I'm just wondering if anyone can comment on this as I do feel Trump is going to be a disaster in other areas.

"Ruth Serwotka:

"I'm not disappointed or shocked to see a large number of women who claim to be 'gender critical' embrace Trump and his billionaire oligarchy. It was written in the politics of many of them years ago.

Repeatedly I and other socialist feminists pointed out the ultra right wing drift, the myopic, endless focus on one thing to the point of banality, the reactionary evolution towards the Proud Boys and the shift towards upholding of traditional gender norms that implies.

Many of these women have become the enablers of a new age of reaction in America and elsewhere. They're currently on Musks social media platform cracking stupid jokes about the world not being in the grip of lunatics. They're celebrating as a victory that Trump has declared the existence of only two sexes (as if he's a deity).

There is zero focus on the fact Trump knows for sure which is the better sex, or his complaint that malign feminine energy, otherwise known as feminism, has brought America to its knees. No worries for our GC's. Nothing to see. Let's say we've won!

Well, biological sex is real for sure, but women have won nothing with Tumps election and could well lose everything, especially reproductive rights.

As matters progress I'm interested to see whether the "GCs" will unravel in the face of mass deportations of women and children, or enforced child bearing or the loss of freedom for lesbian and gay sexuality. Will they admit their hapless, clueless niavety or will they finally go down as red hot fascists in the end?"

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ElizaMulvil · 29/01/2025 20:56

Not all the left accept that men can be women. Large numbers in the Labour Party don't and the Communist Party (surely on the left)
categorically doesn't.

Floisme · 29/01/2025 21:24

Note to self: Dont feed the trolls.

Thank you for the reminder. It's a shame in a way as I was quite pleased with the post I was just about to make but you're right. I've deleted it and I'm going back to Kara Dansky's book now, goodnight all.

Delphin · 29/01/2025 21:26

WaitingForTheDoubleDecker · 29/01/2025 19:55

And yet one EO has GCs pretending a far right US administration has provided the new bedrock of women's rights. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious. Ruth S and co are supercilious arses without a doubt, but GCs patting themselves on the back because they're only in the foothills of fuck around and find out mountain is quite the delusional bollocks. You got in bed with actual fascists cos you thought you were being pragmatic, but you got played to leverage their power, as was always going to happen. Now Trump et al is going to ride roughshod over everything, but hey, at least you get to bully gnc women out of the women's bogs and bring up African toilet twinning as an excuse. Well done.

"You got in bed with actual fascists "

What is your definition of actual fascists /fascism?

(I went to school in Germany, and it's generally frowned upon here to use fascism as as a club to pummel the opposition when you have no winning argument. It's intellectually lazy and also just shows that you haven't actually understood what fascism is)

lifeturnsonadime · 29/01/2025 21:30

Well, biological sex is real for sure, but women have won nothing with Tumps election and could well lose everything, especially reproductive rights.

Well if the Left hadn't been such a disappointment......

They only ever see reproductive rights as a carrot to dangle at election time and didn't give a fuck about biological sex , so.....

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 21:42

The dawning realisation for me, in the last few years, is that the left don't care about women either.

Sure, they'll play along when it suits them (see abortion rights, which have benefits to men too). But they didn't care enough to secure women's abortion rights when they had the chance, they walked out of Afghanistan in the full knowledge of what that would mean for its women. And the second women's rights came into conflict with delusional men, they backed the bros enthusiastically.

So consider my eyes well and truly opened. 🙄

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2025 21:56

I am sure it will not bother RS and the coterie of AGCL that I have absolutely zero interest in anything they have to say. They achieved the square root of bugger all.

MsNeis · 29/01/2025 21:57

UtopiaPlanitia · 29/01/2025 14:36

Within countries with two party systems, like the UK and US, ending the influence of Genderism on society is a bipartisan endeavour because Genderism negatively affects everyone in society and it affects women of all political persuasions.

I have no problem in working across the aisle with people on various issues and working to counter them on other issues; for me that’s perfectly normal and practical political behaviour.

In general, we need to build coalitions from those who see the problems that Genderism causes and we need to work together (each according to their means, skills and abilities) to remove its negative influence from government, civil institutions, the public sector, the private sector…from everywhere basically.

I think Serwotka et al seem to enjoy feeling politically and morally superior to others on this issue (and other issues). But I don’t care what they think, I will continue supporting practical efforts that work ‘across the aisle’ and try to reach as many people as possible.

I very much agree with this 👍

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 22:11

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/01/2025 20:15

It would seem so

let’s hope trump doesn’t announce he believes gravity is real too

I heard that he believes today is Wednesday. Anyone who believes that too is clearly a screaming fascist too, yes?

What is your definition of actual fascists /fascism?

Moat people who bandy this term around wouldn’t know a fascist if they tripped over them in the dark. To them it’s another way of saying “politically to the right of me”, even if that means someone is just further towards the centre-left or a centrist. They’re terrified of someone who has a different opinion from them, to them that’s evil as they are Good People with Correct Views.

They have no idea about actual fascism.

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2025 22:12

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 20:10

What exactly is the complaint here? That we think it's a good executive order?

Are we supposed to pretend we think it's a bad one because Trump?

Yeah, I don't understand this either. What's the 'appropriate' response that they want here?

General rending of clothes and self flagellation, I suppose. Who knows.

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 22:13

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2025 22:12

General rending of clothes and self flagellation, I suppose. Who knows.

Full public repentance is required.

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 22:18

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 22:13

Full public repentance is required.

Good to know. Maybe someone could send me the memo so I'm on top of the details

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 29/01/2025 22:19

Bullshit about the left again OP.

KateBAnd3 · 29/01/2025 22:22

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 21:42

The dawning realisation for me, in the last few years, is that the left don't care about women either.

Sure, they'll play along when it suits them (see abortion rights, which have benefits to men too). But they didn't care enough to secure women's abortion rights when they had the chance, they walked out of Afghanistan in the full knowledge of what that would mean for its women. And the second women's rights came into conflict with delusional men, they backed the bros enthusiastically.

So consider my eyes well and truly opened. 🙄

My thoughts exactly. It's impossible to defend reproductive rights when you cannot define 'woman'. Whilst American feminists and the Democrats were busy tying themselves in knots over 'pregnant people' and the contraceptive needs of LGBTQI+ folks (who would, surely, have to try REALLY QUITE HARD to get pregnant), the Republican-appointed judges changed the law on abortion.

I despise Trump and all that he stands for, but on this single issue he is correct and the longer the Democrats continue to deny and obfuscate, the less electable they will become. I can only hope Starmer and the British left are willing to heed the lesson over here.

SionnachRuadh · 29/01/2025 22:27

Moat people who bandy this term around wouldn’t know a fascist if they tripped over them in the dark. To them it’s another way of saying “politically to the right of me”, even if that means someone is just further towards the centre-left or a centrist. They’re terrified of someone who has a different opinion from them, to them that’s evil as they are Good People with Correct Views.

They have no idea about actual fascism.

Since the left's demand for fascism far outstrips the supply, the definition has to keep expanding.

Looking at the latest annual report from Hope Not Hate - who are paid by the government on the basis that they're supposed to be some kind of experts - the "far right" seems to encompass everyone who's slightly more conservative than Penny Mordaunt.

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 22:36

TheKeatingFive · 29/01/2025 22:18

Good to know. Maybe someone could send me the memo so I'm on top of the details

I believe there’s a mailing list for updates. Currently it’s the donning of a hair shirt, beating oneself in the street and reciting one’s gender critical crimes three times a day for a week, but requirements do change.

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2025 22:39

It used to be everything is transphobic it is now everything is fascist as the go to insult.

Tedious and ridiculous and shows a distinct lack of intelligence.

SionnachRuadh · 29/01/2025 22:40

O Lord! We are going to end up like those young folx on YouTube who have to spend five minutes at the start of a video denouncing JKR and all her works and pomps before they get to show off their Harry Potter merch.

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2025 22:41

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 22:36

I believe there’s a mailing list for updates. Currently it’s the donning of a hair shirt, beating oneself in the street and reciting one’s gender critical crimes three times a day for a week, but requirements do change.

Does one of the AGCL follow ringing a bell and shouting Shame? They really should it would so add to the optics one really must put on a good show when one is mounting the high horse of self righteousness.

BunfightBetty · 29/01/2025 23:07

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 14:53

It was always going to be an issue when Trump embraced gender critical politics, in that “gender critical” would come to be seen as a Trumpian and therefore right wing/far-right/fascist viewpoint.

But it is SO FUCKING TEDIOUS that the left wing purists just paint this as “You were right wingers all along, we KNEW it” in the same way that saying you couldn’t vote Labour any more in the UK was taken in some quarters to mean that you were always actually a secret Tory. You aren’t pure enough, out with you!

So they’ve doubled down rather than admit they were wrong. How very predictable.

Yeah, it’s just the usual badly-written lazy bilge full of silly, erroneous assumptions we’ve’ r come to expect from Serwotka. Advanced with all the usual mis-placed confidence and pomposity. She was always going to be one of the mob who are desperately falling over themselves to paint us as ‘far-right’. 🙄

Nothing to see here.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 29/01/2025 23:11

TinselAngel · 29/01/2025 14:45

If the current gender lunacy and destruction of safeguarding is affecting the lessers rather than your own children or family, then it's understandable to want it all to be solved in a left wing utopia. For those of us up to our necks in it, we don't have the luxury of being able to wait for the ideal politically pure rescuer to come along, we have to take whatever rope is being thrown to us.

So much this.

So children can just be sacrificed until the point that someone left wing enough wakes up?

Fuck that shit.

SidewaysOtter · 29/01/2025 23:13

GailBlancheViola · 29/01/2025 22:41

Does one of the AGCL follow ringing a bell and shouting Shame? They really should it would so add to the optics one really must put on a good show when one is mounting the high horse of self righteousness.

Of course, I can’t believe you have to ask. How else would the AGCL be able to signal their virtue?

Plans are afoot to have one’s front door daubed with a black cross too, but that’s subject to the procurement of sufficient quantities of paint to deal with the sheer number of heretics.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 29/01/2025 23:14

Well transgenderism has taken me down some weird online wormholes over the last few years and if we end up having to choose between Project 2025 and Eugenic Transhumanism I'm rolling with the former. I'm not even sure I'm joking...

Toseland · 30/01/2025 00:05

I don't claim to be 'gender critical' - TRAs put that label on me.

As matters progress I'm interested to see whether the "GCs" will unravel in the face of mass deportations of women and children, or enforced child bearing or the loss of freedom for lesbian and gay sexuality. Will they admit their hapless, clueless niavety or will they finally go down as red hot fascists in the end?"

Loss of freedom for lesbian and gay sexuality already happened under the Biden administration.

As for enforced child bearing... naivety is not realising the true horrors of what living in a TRA world might come to. It is worth doing almost anything to stop it - yes even voting for Trump.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 30/01/2025 00:18

If only Ruth and pals had managed to convince the left to stand up to Genderism - if they hadn’t been so useless at defending women’s rights there would’ve been no vacuum for Trump to fill.

The ‘actual gender critical left’ are a failure and should apologise to all women everywhere for being so shite.

illinivich · 30/01/2025 00:59

The AGCL have had a lot of time on their hands waiting for that seat on the table. Obviously not enough time to critise the left, but enough time to imagine a dystopian future.

Women had two choices - get wins regarding child transition, knowing there is a possibility of other fights down the line.

Or watch as more and more children are groomed into transitioning.

The only way they could claim moral superiority is to believe a prolonged environment of childhood transitioning is the better outcome.

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