Actual gender critical left

[JumpingPumpkin]

I read this on their FB page today. I'm under no illusions as to whether Trump is genuinely supportive of women's rights (I don't believe he is), however I don't see how any of this was going to get resolved with the insane left in power.

There was no indication that any rollback was going to happen with Biden/Harris. I'm just wondering if anyone can comment on this as I do feel Trump is going to be a disaster in other areas.

"Ruth Serwotka:

"I'm not disappointed or shocked to see a large number of women who claim to be 'gender critical' embrace Trump and his billionaire oligarchy. It was written in the politics of many of them years ago.

Repeatedly I and other socialist feminists pointed out the ultra right wing drift, the myopic, endless focus on one thing to the point of banality, the reactionary evolution towards the Proud Boys and the shift towards upholding of traditional gender norms that implies.

Many of these women have become the enablers of a new age of reaction in America and elsewhere. They're currently on Musks social media platform cracking stupid jokes about the world not being in the grip of lunatics. They're celebrating as a victory that Trump has declared the existence of only two sexes (as if he's a deity).

There is zero focus on the fact Trump knows for sure which is the better sex, or his complaint that malign feminine energy, otherwise known as feminism, has brought America to its knees. No worries for our GC's. Nothing to see. Let's say we've won!

Well, biological sex is real for sure, but women have won nothing with Tumps election and could well lose everything, especially reproductive rights.

As matters progress I'm interested to see whether the "GCs" will unravel in the face of mass deportations of women and children, or enforced child bearing or the loss of freedom for lesbian and gay sexuality. Will they admit their hapless, clueless niavety or will they finally go down as red hot fascists in the end?"

Oh FFS are the SocFems still banging on about how dreadful we all are?!

I can kind of see where they're coming from. But to describe reality, there's only two sexes, no one can change sex and we shouldn't be mutilating children (or adults) to pretend people can change sex, as "focusing on one thing to the point of banality" seems extreme to me.

It’s the basis of our rights that we can name ourselves as women. I just can't see that as banal.

Within countries with two party systems, like the UK and US, ending the influence of Genderism on society is a bipartisan endeavour because Genderism negatively affects everyone in society and it affects women of all political persuasions.

I have no problem in working across the aisle with people on various issues and working to counter them on other issues; for me that’s perfectly normal and practical political behaviour.

In general, we need to build coalitions from those who see the problems that Genderism causes and we need to work together (each according to their means, skills and abilities) to remove its negative influence from government, civil institutions, the public sector, the private sector…from everywhere basically.

I think Serwotka et al seem to enjoy feeling politically and morally superior to others on this issue (and other issues). But I don’t care what they think, I will continue supporting practical efforts that work ‘across the aisle’ and try to reach as many people as possible.

How can women have any rights when they can't even be defined as a distinct sex class with their own needs based on that sex. What do the left actually do for women other than wave promises like reproductive rights over our heads but keep them out of reach. There's at least a certain honesty to the right even if it's a truth we don't like. I'd rather fight the right for our rights than the left for our identity.

If the current gender lunacy and destruction of safeguarding is affecting the lessers rather than your own children or family, then it's understandable to want it all to be solved in a left wing utopia. For those of us up to our necks in it, we don't have the luxury of being able to wait for the ideal politically pure rescuer to come along, we have to take whatever rope is being thrown to us.

I stopped taking Ruth Serwotka seriously around this time:

It was always going to be an issue when Trump embraced gender critical politics, in that “gender critical” would come to be seen as a Trumpian and therefore right wing/far-right/fascist viewpoint.

But it is SO FUCKING TEDIOUS that the left wing purists just paint this as “You were right wingers all along, we KNEW it” in the same way that saying you couldn’t vote Labour any more in the UK was taken in some quarters to mean that you were always actually a secret Tory. You aren’t pure enough, out with you!

So they’ve doubled down rather than admit they were wrong. How very predictable.

Same.

I don’t give a shit what they say.

Can’t be bothered by their nonsense opinions.

I'm reserving my anger for the Democrat Party who left Trump a wide open goal and who even now seem incapable of grasping what they have done.

Same

I think I'm asking because I definitely come from a strong left-wing background and although they talk some nonsense like domesticated zombies I feel they have some points.

I agree with this "I'd rather fight the right for our rights than the left for our identity."

Well, quite. They spent the last five years doubling down on Gender ideology and their previous terms making no progress on the legal situation with abortion.

What do Democrat women have to wait for the Democrats to do, that will restore their rights?

Yes this. I wonder if the AGC left can even see how much the left are to blame for this?

I’m Left-wing, and at times in my life have been very earnest about it, but I’ve realised over the years that I don’t need approval from self-appointed arbiters of Leftist purity like Serwotka et al. I’ll live my life according to the ethical principles that I worked out for myself through thought, experience and study. I’ll vote and live according to these principles and I will not be shamed by people who seem to have self-appointed themselves as the Bosses of UK Left-wing Feminism.

I’ve never been interested in cliques and I’ve never been interested in demonstrating ‘ethical purity’ to others. To me, successful Left wing politics is the art of achieving practical beneficial outcomes that are acceptable to the largest number of people in a society. And, in my view, refusing to accept help or recognise progress because it comes from an ‘impure’ source is cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face and shows lack of empathy and solidarity with people who don’t live lives privileged enough to wait for the perfect ideologically correct saviour.

Same

I have zero time for anyone who describes other women as domesticated zombies.

Quite. Not only did the Democrats only manage to rustle up the decrepit and bland Biden - out of the ENTIRE PARTY - as their candidate (both in 2020 and 2024) but, like so much of the political left, were completely tone-deaf to the fact that many of the policies they held dear, such as gender identity or net zero or championing Palestine, are luxury beliefs to a hell of a lot of people.

But rather than recognise that, the left would rather tell dissenters why they are wrong/stupid/bigots/racist gammon etc.

Still spouting the same old bollocks that got Trump elected in the first place, at this point it's become wilful ignorance that's preventing them from seeing that they are the problem not the solution.

The fact that we are having to go backwards in order to go forwards, is, in large part, due to so-called progressive (another misnomer) politics. We need firm foundations and whilst we may not like the builder, we appreciate his GC quotes.

I wish the 'woke' left would take responsibility for what they did. They failed to put forward a candidate and policies that enough people could vote for. A second Trump presidency, and all that comes from it, is on them.

See OP, I read what you have copied and pasted and what I read is the same arguments about alignment that we have had foisted on us all too often.

The reality is that the Democratic Party showed fuck all interest in working with the US feminist groups. The party had in fact, doubled down on not agreeing with the US feminist groups working on this issue.

The piece is just another personal attack. It crossed into personal and targeted.

It is a fool who thinks that feminist groups should not campaign aiming at both parties. Does Ruth genuinely think that those feminist groups who I feel she is demonising didn’t want to work with the Democratic Party? Hadn’t tried to work with the party? And wouldn’t still be reaching out to the party?

Does she think that those celebrating the EOs are doing anything but celebrating the movement of direction towards a desired outcome while probably also having deep concerns about other issues? And not only that, considering that at least one of the people she is targeting will post things to rile Ruth and that group up. Sure call that action childish or whatever, but that group are certainly focused on ad hom attacks.

Sadly, what Ruth is saying is pretty much what extreme transgender rights activists are saying. Do people align her and the group with that extreme group in return? Because it seems to me to be that degree of interaction at this point.

I've been thinking lately on how the left pushed people too far. Men too kept ramping up and silencing women

And after time you get push back

Bang on utopia, I am left wing and this collection of nit wits and their predecessors have always got on my nerves, to say the very least.

Blaming women for being stuck between a rock and a hard place

God, who cares what these idiots think. My moral compass is much too robust to give a shit.