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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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DrBlackbird · 24/01/2025 08:48

The OP asked Do you still support Trump after this? as if most FWR posters did.

To be clear, I’m not American, but I have never and would never support Trump. The man is a thug bordering on psychopathic and a danger to the world.

Neither do I support self ID, the replacement of the word woman, the loss of SSS’s, the allowance of males into female sport, or the medicalisation of gender questioning youth.

It’s also disturbing to think that, irrespective of what Bishop Marian Budde preached (common garden #bekind), Trump’s accolades will get away with saying and doing absolutely anything now he’s pardoned the Jan 6th rioters. So the pendulum may well swing violently back to the right and we’ll lose the opposite form of free speech. I certainly don’t support that either.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 08:55

Good morning @izimbra . I have had my coffee and eagerly await your answer to the question:
If you cannot define the word woman than you cannot define woman's rights. So you are fighting for people's rights, not women's rights. Are there no situations in which you feel women need separate provision to men?

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 09:02

@izimbra
I know two parents who have supported their child's transition - their children are now transgender adults living decent lives. I'm going to guess you think these parents are probably misguided, or maybe stupid. Or maybe evil? And you believe you have a better understanding and knowledge of their child's experience than they do or than their child does. You feel your own experience in therapy gives you the authority in this area?

I'm sure that they arranged for their child to have many hours of non-judgemental therapy before any medical/surgical treatments. I expect they explained to them that, while they may present as the opposite sex, they are not actually the opposite sex and never can be. I imagine they also made it quite clear that, if the child is male, they should never encroach on women's boundaries in any way.

Also, if they did have medical and/or surgical treatment, I hope they have kept the receipts

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 09:06

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 01:00

It wasn't a lecture. It wasn't even a lengthy sermon. It was 3 minutes max. It was a plea to the President to be merciful to those feeling afraid. The sort of thing I'd expect from a Christian.

I'm disgusted at the hatred and vitriol heaped on Bishop Mariann Budde. But it's the sort of thing I expect from President Trump and his acolytes.

"You've let me down, you've let yourself down and you've let MN FWR down" 😳

illinivich · 24/01/2025 09:32

The OP asked Do you still support Trump after this? as if most FWR posters did.

The whole thread seems to hold women on a British parenting site responsible for US politics.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 09:33

...because women are responsible for everything bad that happens. Do keep up!

biscuitandcake · 24/01/2025 09:35

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 09:33

...because women are responsible for everything bad that happens. Do keep up!

Isn't that what people are also doing when they are attacking the Bishop. Especially with the "where was her compassion for...."

illinivich · 24/01/2025 09:43

The bishop is responsible for what she says, who she supports and who she ignores.

This board hasn't campaigned for Trump, so its madness that we are asked to justify why we support trump, simply because this is a place where we discussed sex and gender.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 09:43

biscuitandcake · 24/01/2025 09:35

Isn't that what people are also doing when they are attacking the Bishop. Especially with the "where was her compassion for...."

No-one on here has attacked her in the sense of telling her to die in a grease fire. She gave her sermon, which she was entitled to do. Some of us considered it to be brave and compassionate, some of us thought it was lop-sided and divisive. The fact that women as a sex-class are blamed for so much does not mean that every individual woman is beyond reproach.

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:45

illinivich · 24/01/2025 09:32

The OP asked Do you still support Trump after this? as if most FWR posters did.

The whole thread seems to hold women on a British parenting site responsible for US politics.

Why would I them responsible for US politics? No, but I do question some opinions - as this is a discussion forum. Additionally, as Farage appears to want to duplicate Trumpism in the UK, with Elon Musk's support - maybe you've seen the enthusiastic MEGA (Make Europe Great Again) tweets - it isn't so odd to be talking about it.

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JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:48

illinivich · 24/01/2025 09:43

The bishop is responsible for what she says, who she supports and who she ignores.

This board hasn't campaigned for Trump, so its madness that we are asked to justify why we support trump, simply because this is a place where we discussed sex and gender.

Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released.

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legalimmigrant · 24/01/2025 09:50

Kemi Badenoch is unlikely to go down the road of right wing populism. In fact that might be her undoing, but she is a data and evidence driven politician and I have great hopes for her leadership and getting back to more common sense conservatism. Because she does look at the evidence before formulating policy, she is intelligent and thoughtful.

For example, she ignored the civil servants who tried to stop her speaking to Keira Bell about her (too rapid) transition on the NHS and detransition.

legalimmigrant · 24/01/2025 09:52

I agree with Trump on issues like 'sex is real and men shouldn't be in unconsenting women and children's spaces' i.e. sheer common sense agreed with by the vast majority of humanity.

I don't agree with him on other issues. But what we're mostly discussing here is sex and gender (see the name of the board) so of course we're going to agree with his common sense approach to protecting women's rights and child safeguarding on this one.

OldCrone · 24/01/2025 09:52

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:45

Why would I them responsible for US politics? No, but I do question some opinions - as this is a discussion forum. Additionally, as Farage appears to want to duplicate Trumpism in the UK, with Elon Musk's support - maybe you've seen the enthusiastic MEGA (Make Europe Great Again) tweets - it isn't so odd to be talking about it.

So you just wanted a political discussion about Trump and Farage? Did you mean to post your thread on the politics board?
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You could ask for your thread to be moved to the correct board. Or you could just join the discussion about the bishop's sermon on the existing thread there.
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Mmmnotsure · 24/01/2025 10:00

Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released.

My bold.

@JessaWoo Put simply, agreeing with a politician on one issue is not the same as supporting that politician. Perhaps look at the politics board, as @OldCrone suggests. People there might be able to help you and explain things.

NotBadConsidering · 24/01/2025 10:08

I asked the OP on the 2nd page what was meant by “you” and “support Trump” and there was never an answer.

It’s just your run-of-the-mill “you’re all in league with the devil” scolding thread with a smattering of the usual ignoring hard questions about degree of harm from posters like izimbra thrown in. It’s all rather trite.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 10:13

NotBadConsidering · 24/01/2025 10:08

I asked the OP on the 2nd page what was meant by “you” and “support Trump” and there was never an answer.

It’s just your run-of-the-mill “you’re all in league with the devil” scolding thread with a smattering of the usual ignoring hard questions about degree of harm from posters like izimbra thrown in. It’s all rather trite.

Amen to that🙏

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 10:33

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:48

Right. The reason black mothers face poorer maternity care and outcomes is because of racism against white people? The reason for the pay gap between sexes is because women just aren't as good as men?

Who do you think is being discriminated against @TempestTost?

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Tose are some impressive leaps.

Look, you've been on threads many times where the kinds of racist policies DEI people support and encourage are discussed.

You always "forget" about them immediately. So I'm not inclined to try and explain them to you yet again, I don't think you post in good faith.

Helleofabore · 24/01/2025 10:38

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:48

Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released.

Isn’t this guilt by approval for one specific initiative?

I would consider someone condemning others for approving of one action, that of simply approving a body of work done by feminists and signing off on that EO, while not declaring to support Trump in most other aspects, to be tribal thinking.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 10:54

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:48

Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released.

I mean, the other possibility would have been Harris, and we wouldn't have seen any of this stuff. It would still be men in women's spaces, it would still be trans children, and it would still be discriminatory hiring practices in the name of equality.

Do I think Harris would do something amazing about any other issue, like the economy? Not really, no. The Democrats are pretty much globalists these days. The Republicans are all over the place, but some seem to be asking the right questions. So the economy would hardly make me likely to support Harris instead.

I'm pragmatic about politics for the most part. Neither Trump nor Harris impacts my sense of identity nor do people like that inform my beliefs and values.

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:01

@legalimmigrant

I don't agree with him on other issues. But what we're mostly discussing here is sex and gender (see the name of the board) so of course we're going to agree with his common sense approach to protecting women's rights and child safeguarding on this one.

Hmm. It's his cynical, populist use of women and children's safeguarding in this sense to his own ends that bothers me.

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JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:04

@OldCrone

So you just wanted a political discussion about Trump and Farage? Did you mean to post your thread on the politics board?

You could ask for your thread to be moved to the correct board. Or you could just join the discussion about the bishop's sermon on the existing thread there.

Just because I mentioned Farage? Thanks, but no.

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JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:05

NotBadConsidering · 24/01/2025 10:08

I asked the OP on the 2nd page what was meant by “you” and “support Trump” and there was never an answer.

It’s just your run-of-the-mill “you’re all in league with the devil” scolding thread with a smattering of the usual ignoring hard questions about degree of harm from posters like izimbra thrown in. It’s all rather trite.

You know what it means.

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Helleofabore · 24/01/2025 11:06

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:01

@legalimmigrant

I don't agree with him on other issues. But what we're mostly discussing here is sex and gender (see the name of the board) so of course we're going to agree with his common sense approach to protecting women's rights and child safeguarding on this one.

Hmm. It's his cynical, populist use of women and children's safeguarding in this sense to his own ends that bothers me.

Sure. It bothers many of us.

It should not stop someone being able to approve of one thing that he did, in fact, that he simply approved of but others produced without being mischaracterised as being something they are not. And by ‘something they are not’, I mean being generalised as a ‘Trump supporter’. Approval of one action of a politician who is supposed to support creation of policies that improve the lives of those the policies impact is not a controversial act.