Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

[JessaWoo]

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

@Helleofabore

I would consider someone condemning others for approving of one action, that of simply approving a body of work done by feminists and signing off on that EO, while not declaring to support Trump in most other aspects, to be tribal thinking.

That's certainly a way of putting it, I guess. You do you.

I know what you think it means. You think that anyone agreeing with anyone on one thing means you worship the ground they walk on. Despite multiple threads and multiple posts on this thread pointing out the falsity of your belief, you insist upon it anyway. Like I said, it’s very trite.

Would you like to clarify then what you consider to be ‘support’ for Trump vs support for his action in approving the EO if I have misinterpreted what you mean? Because I have seen others ask for clarification too so obviously we are still not quite understanding your position.

Idealogues contract out their thinking to the ideology. @JessaWoo appears to have subscribed to a liberal progressive or maybe a more left-wing ideology and is unable to step out of that framework and think independently. So if someone approves of something Trump has done, s/he assumes they too must have contracted out all their thinking to the Trump ideology (whatever that is!)

@NotBadConsidering

I know what you think it means. You think that anyone agreeing with anyone on one thing means you worship the ground they walk on. Despite multiple threads and multiple posts on this thread pointing out the falsity of your belief, you insist upon it anyway. Like I said, it’s very trite.

Well, no, that's not what I think at all. 🙄 Opinions and views are somewhat more nuanced than that, and I'm quite aware that agreement on one thing does not mean agreement with an entire platform.

Excuse me?

@Helleofabore

Would you like to clarify then what you consider to be ‘support’ for Trump vs support for his action in approving the EO if I have misinterpreted what you mean? Because I have seen others ask for clarification too so obviously we are still not quite understanding your position.

I've already spent enough time doing that, and I apologise if I haven't been clear enough for you. If I write another post, you'll just attack me and I don't have the energy for it. Like I said, you do you.

So this:

"Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released."

is just you making an uninformed opinion then. Just 'you doing you', as usual mischaracterising the general opinion of Trump on this board based on your own biased opinion of this board.

Have you never heard the terms " The enemy of my enemy is my friend" or "the lesser of two evils"?
Very few posters here agree with anything that Trump does apart from this 1 EO that define women and men, male and female as biological reality.
It's entirely possible for people to agree on 1 thing whilst disagreeing on everything else, you do understand that don't you @JessaWoo

Huh?

Castrating DC and making them infertile and sexually dysfunctional is child abuse.

You are excused

Hnff

Nobody cares about LGB they just get on with their lives, it's the TQ nonsense that he wants to put a lid on and thank goodness for small mercies. Leave the children alone and leave our spaces alone, that's all most women want and it seems what most Americans want.

Didn't we do the 'Goody' thing to death several years ago?

I must forget them immediately, because apart from last night I don't remember me talking much about DEI. Perhaps you can provide link to some of these many threads I post on. But I'm guessing not.

Sure you only have to post a different viewpoint for posters here to fall back on their belief that other feminists are posting in bad faith.

@Helleofabore

So this:

"Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released."

is just you making an uninformed opinion then. Just 'you doing you', as usual mischaracterising the general opinion of Trump on this board based on your own biased opinion of this board.

We wouldn't want to be pulling up those threads then, would we?

@AliceNutterWasAWoman

You are excused

Ta

What threads do you refer to? MN threads? Or the threads of discussion on this thread?

Because if you assume that 'most active posters on this board' have participated in Trump threads recently, then I suspect you are using a self selecting group that may or may not be supporting Trump to the degree you have stated and that may not be 'most active posters on this board'. I certainly have avoided most of them and flicking through them over the past months, so have quite a lot of others.

Just be going on this and another current thread that you have participated on, the over riding opinion of Trump seems to be 'I don't support him on anything but on the promise that he has made about this EO and his attempts to protect female sports categories and children'.

I think either jessawoo has forgotten its the sex and gender board and not politics or does see women who oppose gender ideology as trump supporters.

Exactly, and here we are witnessing Trump grifting that grift, and proving that he is very good at it.
Bishop Budde is a bishop in the Episcopalian church: an authority in the most middle class, leafy suburban denomination in the USA.
It has the least penetration into working class, migrant, black, and hispanic communities of any denomination in the USA.
In order to become an episcopalian bishop she will have to have received an education that most people in the USA can't afford (or, if they do try to afford it, they begin adulthood in a cycle of debt that they never recover from).
People who share her social class, her education, her cultural perspective will look at the scenes in the church as Budde speaking truth to power. I accept that this is one way of describing the situation - Trump is, after all, the president of the USA. Bishops are not to be sniffed at, sofar as status goes, but they don't have political power in the USA.
But for people who aren't in Budde's social class - people who Trump is interested in attracting - that scene of Budde praying a rebuke of Trump while he is unable to speak up in his own defense will bring to mind all the times that they are shamed and belittled by the authorities, by the elites, and they cannot speak up for themselves.
Of course Trump is ridiculously priviledged, incredibly wealthy, but he is a master of painting himself as the man of the people, struggling against the disapproval and disparagement of the elites.
My suggestion is that Trump anticipated what sort of thing Bishop Budde would say and do if she was leading the service and thus instigated, or at least permitted, her doing so.

I see.

Hitler, of course, was a vegetarian and failed artist. Do you think all vegetarians and failed artists are therefore Nazis too?

That is how ridiculous you sound. It's pathetic. I've never voted for anyone even slightly right wing in my life. And still never will. I wouldn't have voted for Trump. But this EO was sorely needed.

I've also had material-reality based feminist views all my life too. Because unlike you, clearly, many of us here understand very clearly the long history of women's rights and legislation. And that all of it, every single piece of that legislation that protected women, was based on our SEX, not some nebulous inner identity. In fact, you'll find most of the left once did, before some of the more privileged ones who felt they didn't have to worry about such lowly things as material reality or evidence and didn't really give a shit about the lower orders decided in around the late 80s that postmodernist queer theory, which had zero to do with women but had started becoming popular on US college campuses, should replace a more materialist class analysis. The EO does indeed largely align with the same principles as the reality-based feminism which many of us have been familiar with for most of our lives.

Are you seriously telling us that all feminist activists for the last 100 years, all those women who fought for women's rights and changed legislation and social attitudes to women, changed women's lives, were actually "fascists", Nazis, "far right bigots", Trump-aligned, or any of the rest of the historically illiterate claims you appear to be making here?

Trump was HANDED this on a plate by the failures of the Dems due to their obsessive pandering to men who identify as women and failure to listen to women and girls who were having their rights dissolved as result. Despite being warned that it was unpopular with most people who actually cared about fairness and women's historical rights. Not to mention the funding from the extremely wealthy trans lobby in the US (oh, and the entirely capitalist pharmaceutical industry who are helping push it. Onto children whose parents seem incapable of coping with the idea of gender nonconformity, or indeed that their children might turn out to be gay. See parents of "trans kid heroes" such as Kai Shappley, for instance- who beat him for not liking "boys things" due to their fear he was gay. Or those around Elliot Page, who not only struggled with sexual abuse, being objectified and Hollywood STILL not really accepting her being a lesbian - not to mention her own religious mother, who has made it very clear she prefers a "trans son" to a gay daughter. Just read Elliot's book.)

You are deluded if you imagine what you're championing isn't one of the most backwards, conservative ideologies there is. That you haven't been championing the dismantling of many of women's legal protections in the US, not to mention your support of gay conversion therapy. On MINORS. Shame on you. And shame on you for lying about and smearing those women who have been fighting against this regressive, bigoted bullshit for years. Your claims are false. Like pretty much everything claimed by adherents of this ridiculous ideology. It is people like YOU who I am holding entirely responsible for Trump and everything else he and the evangelical right - who are certainly NOT our allies - end up doing as a result of the Dems' idiocy over this issue. Own it - it's your fault.

Of course he's lapping it up. He knows it'll be popular and he knows it's been a massive blind spot that a lot of people, of all political persuasions and for different reasons, will support.

It seems as if it was only just a few short months ago that posters on this board were unable to state biological reality without posts being removed. TW certainly couldn’t be referred to as men.

Now, the most powerful leader of the most powerful country in the world says it loud and clear.

That really is Truth to Power.

Shamelessly stolen from El Reg commenter Falmari on that article:

After 60 years Johnson's Equal Employment Opportunity EO is erased on the whim of one man. There should have been no need for the EO, after 60 years Equal Employment Opportunity should have been laws passed by congress.

Emphasis mine.

Thank you for that.

So basically, what this EO stops is me being given a job preferentially because I have a vulva? Or someone being given a job preferentially because they are a particular race, or are disabled? If you read our own Equality Act 2010, you will see that we have similar laws that limit such preferential treatment here.

These preferential policies are often a bad idea. In the rare circumstances where they are useful (like all-women shortlists for British Parliamentary candidates were back when we had bugger all women in Parliament), they should be reviewed at intervals with the aim of repealing them in the future. They also don't reaolve structural and institutional workplace problems that discourage women and minorities from applying fir jobs and staying in post. For example, AWS didn't solve the problem that female ministers couldn't take maternity leave, which was a barrier to women taking ministerships: that only got solved by MOMA, and look how much venom-spitting there was about the use of the word "mother" in that law.

I have seen American men complain online about "diversity hires" and women express concern that they will be seen as a "diversity hire" even if they aren't one. It undermines the perceived competence of women and minorities in the workplace if we are hired because we are women and minorities, and that harms us in the long-run.