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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 01:02

What would be the right time and place for the Bishop to speak truth to power @HoneyButterPopcorn?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 01:04

izimbra · 24/01/2025 00:24

"So you don’t think 0.3% poses a problem. I pointed out how that 0.3% impacts millions of women directly. You can read it again on page 11 if you like. You have ignored it thus far."

No, I don't believe 0.3% of the population being transgender poses a problem to millions of women.

Any man being able to say that he's a woman and be treated like he's female from then on has already been a problem for women across America. It's been a problem for female prisoners, female athletes, female Wii Spa patrons, school girls in changing rooms, female rape and DV victims. This is all documented.

It's not about 0.3% of the population "being transgender". It's about males being given privileges to access female spaces and services. That 0.3% of people "being transgender" wouldn't be a problem if they used their own sex's services and spaces.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 01:10

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 00:27

I actually think this is one most don't really understand. It's not just 'DEI', it's 'DEIA' - Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility. This covers not just race, but equity of the sexes and disability, among others. Its scrapping is bad news for women and those with disabilities.

I have a disability that impedes my walking. I once had a position in a two-storied building that only had stairs. I had no way of accessing the upper level at all. My organisation furnished me with an office on the lower level and made sure meetings came to me rather than the other way around, but I still had difficulties there. In the current US climate, I doubt they would be compelled to do even that - they would just pass on to the next candidate.

What document is this?

What you have written suggests that President Pussygrabber has repealed the Americans With Disabilities Act. That was passed by Congress, so I don't think he can do that.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:21

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 00:27

I actually think this is one most don't really understand. It's not just 'DEI', it's 'DEIA' - Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility. This covers not just race, but equity of the sexes and disability, among others. Its scrapping is bad news for women and those with disabilities.

I have a disability that impedes my walking. I once had a position in a two-storied building that only had stairs. I had no way of accessing the upper level at all. My organisation furnished me with an office on the lower level and made sure meetings came to me rather than the other way around, but I still had difficulties there. In the current US climate, I doubt they would be compelled to do even that - they would just pass on to the next candidate.

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

That's not the case, it's a particular lens that assumes hierarchies of value and oppression, and that it's ok to materially disadvantage individuals - for example by not considering them for a job - in order to level the playing field for others.

Some of the work to make sure workplaces remain fair to all should continue, but rather like the medical sector, they have really fucked themselves over by being so immoderately ideological that it's difficult to see how they could operate more appropriately. I hope they come up with a way to move the necessary functions elsewhere, maybe into HR, or maybe distributed through lower organizations.

The other element is that like management in general, those kinds of jobs seem to have ballooned in numbers, almost to the point of seeming like make-work projects for social science grads. The costs are enourmous - I don't know the figures in the American civil service, but in the NHS they say it's something around 40 million pounds.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:28

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 01:00

It wasn't a lecture. It wasn't even a lengthy sermon. It was 3 minutes max. It was a plea to the President to be merciful to those feeling afraid. The sort of thing I'd expect from a Christian.

I'm disgusted at the hatred and vitriol heaped on Bishop Mariann Budde. But it's the sort of thing I expect from President Trump and his acolytes.

Te real question is why didn't Biden get a sermon about being kind to young women in sports, or children being given terrible therapy and having their bodies irreparably damaged, or women who can't access rape support with confidence that no men will be there.

That's what rankles. She may have "just asked for kindness and mercy" but actually, we all hive a strong suspect she is saying that because she supports those things. And that makes it seem less like a Christian statement, and more like a political statement.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:30

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

I agree, DEI is so much more than that. It's about healthcare for the disabled. Maternity care for black mothers. Women in the workplace not having to deal with sex discrimination and harassment. Making companies, institutions and society work well for all. Not just powerful men.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:31

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 01:10

What document is this?

What you have written suggests that President Pussygrabber has repealed the Americans With Disabilities Act. That was passed by Congress, so I don't think he can do that.

I think maybe she was saying that because the people who deal with these issues practically won't be there, efforts toward access are likely to be poorly managed.

There is possibly some truth to that, though that kind of thing should be found within HR management.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:34

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:30

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

I agree, DEI is so much more than that. It's about healthcare for the disabled. Maternity care for black mothers. Women in the workplace not having to deal with sex discrimination and harassment. Making companies, institutions and society work well for all. Not just powerful men.

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It's about denying people access to jobs and positions because of their skin colour, ethnicity, sex, or sexuality.

It's about present racism to make up for past racism.

It's about thinking that members of certain groups are unable to perform at the same level as others so need to be given a leg up.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 02:47

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:30

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

I agree, DEI is so much more than that. It's about healthcare for the disabled. Maternity care for black mothers. Women in the workplace not having to deal with sex discrimination and harassment. Making companies, institutions and society work well for all. Not just powerful men.

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If anyone in the US govt actually gave a shit about women, they'd legislate for paid maternity leave. But that costs money, so instead they'll wokescold white men about something their great-great-grandparents did and replace the "women" and "men" signs on toilets with ones that say "gender neutral" without a care for women enduring miscarriage at work who would rather not pass their embryo with Stan from Payroll taking a dump in the next cubicle.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:48

Right. The reason black mothers face poorer maternity care and outcomes is because of racism against white people? The reason for the pay gap between sexes is because women just aren't as good as men?

Who do you think is being discriminated against @TempestTost?

DreamTheMoors · 24/01/2025 02:58

This doesn’t surprise me in the least coming from Donald and the Republicans.
You should’ve seen him sitting there - he looked like somebody hit him in the head with a hammer.
I left the Republican Party years ago and I’ve awakened with a knot in my stomach every morning since November.
Now he’s released all the violent insurrectionists.
God help us from what they do next.

Hoardasurass · 24/01/2025 03:02

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:30

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

I agree, DEI is so much more than that. It's about healthcare for the disabled. Maternity care for black mothers. Women in the workplace not having to deal with sex discrimination and harassment. Making companies, institutions and society work well for all. Not just powerful men.

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Nope dei impeds equality, cause both sex and racial discrimination and fosters segregation

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 03:09

I'm in favour of sex segregation. I like having women only spaces. Women need women only spaces.

DreamTheMoors · 24/01/2025 03:10

anniegun · 23/01/2025 22:28

Undocumented immigrants usually do pay taxes in the USA

In the $hundreds-of-millions. Maybe $billions.
But they get nothing, zero, zip, nada, back from the government.
I have no idea where all that money goes, but the workers don’t see one cent of it.
They don’t take take take like Donald and his pals want you to believe.
That’s Donald’s & Elon’s & Jeff’s & those bro’s hobby.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 03:18

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:48

Right. The reason black mothers face poorer maternity care and outcomes is because of racism against white people? The reason for the pay gap between sexes is because women just aren't as good as men?

Who do you think is being discriminated against @TempestTost?

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There is a difference between meaningful equality action and the sprawling DEI industrial complex that is swallowing up money that could be used to give women paid maternity leave, screen Black babies for medical conditions like sickle cell anaemia that disproportionately affect Black people, and check the blood types of Black and Brown mothers before they are due to give birth to make sure that compatible blood transfusions are available. Making sure that health care meets the needs of Black and Brown people is what will save lives, not sending staff to be lectured at or replacing the word "woman" with "person" on the cervical smear leaflets in the waiting room.

Why more Black blood donors are needed

More Black donors are needed because of a rise in demand for some rare blood subtypes that are more common in people of Black heritage.

https://www.blood.co.uk/why-give-blood/demand-for-different-blood-types/why-more-black-blood-donors-are-needed

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 03:26

You think all or even most DEI training focuses on trans @selffellatingouroborosofhate?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 03:37

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 03:18

There is a difference between meaningful equality action and the sprawling DEI industrial complex that is swallowing up money that could be used to give women paid maternity leave, screen Black babies for medical conditions like sickle cell anaemia that disproportionately affect Black people, and check the blood types of Black and Brown mothers before they are due to give birth to make sure that compatible blood transfusions are available. Making sure that health care meets the needs of Black and Brown people is what will save lives, not sending staff to be lectured at or replacing the word "woman" with "person" on the cervical smear leaflets in the waiting room.

So you think because of this EO suddenly equality for black people is going to improve?

By the man who just removed equality protection for black people?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 03:55

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 03:26

You think all or even most DEI training focuses on trans @selffellatingouroborosofhate?

No.

Training is only one small part of DEI. When I last did DEI training, it mentioned all nine of the Equality Act protected characteristics, as it rightly should.

Taking "woman" off a women's health leaflet isn't a matter of training, but of policy. Replacing toilet door signs isn't training, but policy. There's a whole industry of consultants who will come, for a price, to tell you what they think your policies should be. At my employer alone, these policies involve:

  • A trans policy that conflicts with the Workplace (Health Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 by preventing peer enforcement of the single-sex signage on existing toilets.
  • A maternity leave policy that says "birthing parent", not "mother".
  • A lactation policy that says "chestfeeding".
  • A definition of islamophobia that had my employer refuse to take action against pro-Palestine demonstrators on the premises for weeks, even after they assaulted staff.

What we conspicuously lack is:

  • A disability policy that requires freeware accessibility tools to be installed on all workplace PCs as standard, even though we are expected to hotdesk.
  • A disability policy that guarantees a fixed desk for anyone who needs dedicated hardware or costs-money accessibility software.
  • A disability policy requiring chairs and doors to be below a certain weight so that disabled people (thinking of a colleague with EDS here) can actually move them.
  • A disability policy that requires that tied-down mice have enough flex on the cable so that someone without a working right hand can use them left-handed.
  • A breastfeeding policy that assures a suitable fridge and lockable private room within a ten minute walk of all workspaces.
  • A reasonable adjustments policy that says that if Occy Health have recommended something, Estates damn well do it without moaning about the cost and asking for a second opinion in an email that is later forwarded to the disabled person needing the adjustment because she has to request even more supporting evidence. That really made me feel welcomed and valued, that. 😕

The common factors here are that the consultants recommend a load of trans stuff because it's trendy and other stuff is an afterthought. The employer actions the trans stuff because it's cheap and trendy and might action the other stuff if it's cheap. But the meaningful changes, the one that would cost money and/or create some work for someone (e.g. IT), they don't get actioned, if they were recommended at all.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 04:00

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 03:37

So you think because of this EO suddenly equality for black people is going to improve?

By the man who just removed equality protection for black people?

Given that racial equality is protected in the Civil Rights Act 1964, I don't see how he can repeal an act of congress via EO.

I've asked several times what document he's signed to remove all these protections and no one has answered.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 05:51

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EasternStandard · 24/01/2025 06:10

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 01:02

What would be the right time and place for the Bishop to speak truth to power @HoneyButterPopcorn?

Truth isn't the term trans child, it's gender ideology and a political pov

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 06:20

@selffellatingouroborosofhate

What you have written suggests that President Pussygrabber has repealed the Americans With Disabilities Act. That was passed by Congress, so I don't think he can do that.

You're correct - the EO regarding DEIA isn't legislation, much as the EO regarding two sexes isn't legislation. It's advice to Federal agencies only, meaning any discrimination can still be an offence under the Act you mention. However, within the sphere of Federal influence, I imagine this EO will have a great amount of authority that will filter down. I hope not, though.

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EasternStandard · 24/01/2025 06:50

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:28

Te real question is why didn't Biden get a sermon about being kind to young women in sports, or children being given terrible therapy and having their bodies irreparably damaged, or women who can't access rape support with confidence that no men will be there.

That's what rankles. She may have "just asked for kindness and mercy" but actually, we all hive a strong suspect she is saying that because she supports those things. And that makes it seem less like a Christian statement, and more like a political statement.

Fair question and an answer is along the lines of how much gender ideology has impacted institutions and the beliefs of those within them

We’ll see what happens when a country starts to undo that

OvaHere · 24/01/2025 07:27

if you'd devoted a tenth of the anger and energy you've devoted to decrying transgenderism into lobbying government to address inadequate public transport outside large cities, or shit maternity care, or addressing women's housing needs, you'd have had a vastly bigger impact on women's safety and quality of life.

Whatever efforts women have put into fighting back pales into insignificance compared to the decades in the making effort shitty men have put in to removing our spaces in the first place, cosying up to influential people, lobbying in the shadows to enact policies that gets them into rape shelters if they feel like it or steal medals from women who have worked so hard at their sport.

You seem to have nothing to say about those men.

What could they have better spent their time doing? Perhaps they could have tried to tackle poverty or world hunger rather than devoting their energy to thinking up a thousand crappy reasons why 'ladydick' is a true and honest thing or why putting a pink headband on suddenly means they have no sporting advantage over young women.

But no, it's just women that apparently have to just shut up, say nothing and take whatever crap they throw at us. You think you're so righteous when really you're just an advocate and apologist for letting these men do whatever the fuck they want as long as they hide behind a warped framing of social justice.

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