Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth

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Purpose.

Ideologues who deny the biological reality of sex have increasingly used legal and other socially coercive means to permit men to self-identify as women and gain access to intimate single-sex spaces and activities designed for women, from women’s domestic abuse shelters to women’s workplace showers. This is wrong. Efforts to eradicate the biological reality of sex fundamentally attack women by depriving them of their dignity, safety, and well-being. The erasure of sex in language and policy has a corrosive impact not just on women but on the validity of the entire American system. Basing Federal policy on truth is critical to scientific inquiry, public safety, morale, and trust in government itself.

This unhealthy road is paved by an ongoing and purposeful attack against the ordinary and longstanding use and understanding of biological and scientific terms, replacing the immutable biological reality of sex with an internal, fluid, and subjective sense of self unmoored from biological facts. Invalidating the true and biological category of “woman” improperly transforms laws and policies designed to protect sex-based opportunities into laws and policies that undermine them, replacing longstanding, cherished legal rights and values with an identity-based, inchoate social concept.

This will defend women’s rights and protect freedom of conscience by using clear and accurate language and policies that recognize women are biologically female, and men are biologically male.

Policy and Definitions.

The policy is to recognize two sexes, male and female. These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality:

(a) “Sex” shall refer to an individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female. “Sex” is not a synonym for and does not include the concept of “gender identity.”

(b) “Women” or “woman” and “girls” or “girl” shall mean adult and juvenile human females, respectively.

(c) “Men” or “man” and “boys” or “boy” shall mean adult and juvenile human males, respectively.

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.

(f) “Gender ideology” replaces the biological category of sex with an ever-shifting concept of self-assessed gender identity, permitting the false claim that males can identify as and thus become women and vice versa, and requiring all institutions of society to regard this false claim as true. Gender ideology includes the idea that there is a vast spectrum of genders that are disconnected from one’s sex. Gender ideology is internally inconsistent, in that it diminishes sex as an identifiable or useful category but nevertheless maintains that it is possible for a person to be born in the wrong sexed body.

(g) “Gender identity” reflects a fully internal and subjective sense of self, disconnected from biological reality and sex and existing on an infinite continuum, that does not provide a meaningful basis for identification and cannot be recognized as a replacement for sex.

Recognizing Women Are Biologically Distinct From Men.

Full statement text at https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

Every news outlet is reporting this as anti trans legisliaton.

Not one has reported it is about women's rights.

That's why I started this thread, although there are others as hoping the search engines will pick it up.

Seems that women's rights are so unimportant to anyone, that even when there is a political statement about them, the media reports it is about something else.

Indeed.

And demonstrates:

a) Exactly why women and girls (the real ones) need this legislation
b) Exactly why someone with a "cognitive awareness they are female" despite being male are generally completely unaware of and don't care what being female is actually like materially in the real world
c) That replacing "sex" with "gender identity" is detrimental to women's rights and safety in the real world. It is male wishes over female needs.
d) That most "trans women" do not give a fuck about actual women and many hate, dismiss and despise us and all the key reasons for women's rights legislation historically. As far as they are concerned, our main role in life is to validate them as being the same as us. Which they are not. We are not considered important enough to have needs of our own. It is wholly patriarchal.
e) That they consider the reality of our lives and the whole history of women's rights legislation to be obstacles to their own selfish validation. It's why they will demonise and smear us and call us "Nazis" and "fascists" for daring to exist and have needs that they never can and never will. Because they cannot be female, ever.
f) That this is a men's rights movement that is actively opposed to feminism and women's legal rights. Especially the right to say no and to be a real demographic of our own.

I'm fairly sure that Trump is a dangerous nutter.

This thing is brilliant, though, and he deserves full credit for it. Hopefully, this will precipitate the downfall of gender woo.

I'm fairly sure that Trump is a dangerous nutter.

This thing is brilliant, though, and he deserves full credit for it. Hopefully, this will precipitate the downfall of gender woo.

Most "trans women" do not give a fuck about actual women and many hate. dismiss and despise us... As far as they are concerned, our main role in life is to validate them as being the same as us. Which they are not

how can people type this stuff. It’s truly horrible and terrifying.

The type of madness and hatred that elects characters like Trump into the most powerful office in the world

Because it is true. 'Identifying as' someone is not the same as 'identifying with' them 'Identifying as' is about performance and personal validation, not about empathy. Those who empathise with women do not claim to be a woman if they are not.

Because it's the truth.

Your answers have demonstrated that very clearly, I'm afraid.

Sorry you don't "get" it, but that's what has been shown again and again. Not just by what you've been saying but what we've seen from multiple trans rights activists and how they speak to and refer to women over the years.

How you can have the nerve to write this as if you're the victim here is beyond me. Again. It's gaslighting. How dare you.

My rights, my rights as an actual woman, are not "madness". That you don't understand them or the reality and can't explain yourself or show the slightest empathy or comprehension is YOUR problem. Shame on you.

Presumably because we know it to be true from their actions, words and behaviours demonstrated through social media posts. Prove that is not the case.

For someone who doesn’t have time to spend all day on MN @Lostcat you seem to be having trouble tearing yourself away.

Are you able to explain what “cognitive sex” someone with a Eunuch, polygender, or gender fluid gender identity has?

Single sex is no longer single sex if women's spaces permit entry to male people .

A male person is not a female person, no matter what he thinks or feels. It doesn't matter how 'lovely' he may be.....the point is that women's spaces are predicated on protecting the dignity of the female sex in certain types of situation ( where body/undress/biological function is paramount) from the male gaze.

To add to social media posts, also utterances in mainstream media, and often behaviour in real life.

I think it is awful that so many young people have been caught up in the trans madness that has swept the west over the last 15 years or so. That so many have been encourgaged to believe they are something they are not, and then encouraged to go onto take drastic surgical measures - in pursuit of an elusive emotional contentment...which in the vast majority of cases disappears once the trans euphoria diminishes.

Eurphoria dnd dysphoria are two sides of the same mental health coin.

But here we are....and there were always going to be casualties.

Of course 👍 but it is so easy to provide proof with the multitude of evidence available.

The point is - whether he claims to be trans or not is completely irrelevant. It's not a crime to enter a toilet, it's a crime to sexually assault someone.

Men tend to think only of physical assault. Voyeurism is also a crime. So is exhibitionism. A man taking his clothes off in a women's changing room is an exhibitionist. A women taking her clothes off in a women's changing room is not. A man glancing around a women's changing room is a voyeur. A woman is not.

That makes "trans" very relevant because if a transwomen "is" a woman then (s)he's not a voyeur or an exhibitionist, right?

There are upcoming legal cases about this.

He is indeed.

He didn't write this EO himself though, clearly. It's far too clear and careful in its wording about the issues. It's been written to be robust in case of challenge is my guess. So that each point would have to be argued openly, with evidence.

I absolutely think there is a case for better legislation in the US to ensure state by state that trans identifying people aren't discriminated against for basics like right to housing and work .Likewise LGB. I think equality in general is covered far better in UK legislation than in the US, because terms are (largely) clear and defined, although there needs to be further clarification on "gender reassignment" and no room whatsoever for the kind of obfuscations like "gender identity" instead of "sex" we've been seeing. Everyone's rights need covering and protecting. That's what equality IS. But pretending "trans rights" (by which is meant males who identify as women, and largely not women who identify as men) are the same as "women's rights" is not the way to do it.

And once again, no, it is not a "right" to identify as a demographic you are not a member of the basis of some mythical "cognitive awareness" that has no basis in material reality and for everyone in that demographic to have to put their very real, material needs aside for your benefit.

One thing I will take away from this thread is to keep pushing the issues with safe spaces, privacy, sports, prisons, unhappy children etc to the general public. It is obvious that @Lostcat and friends are scared of these arguments and have only hand-wavy solutions which Josephine on the Clapham Omnibus will see through straight-away. YouGov surveys show we have made significant and continuous inroads on these issue since their first survey in 2018

Yet you're OK to reframe women and girls needing single sex spaces as "sex-segregation" (one group of people "trumping" another group of people, etc) is based on a number of really problematic assumptions/ stereotypes/ prejudices"? To effectively argue that the crimes of indecent exposure and voyeurism should no longer exist and that teenage girls must be compelled to undress in a changing room alongside any random man who self identifies as a woman?

That's what's "truly horrible and terrifying".

But it is understandable that women start to feel like this when no reasonable explanation is given as to why the rights and needs of female bodied people are ignored?

I am disappointed you are not answering my direct questions about the harms to female bodied people and why you believe they matter less than males with female cognition (as this is your definition of trans woman).

You don't give a seem to care at all about transpeople. Why aren't you campaigning for third spaces, 'open' and women's categories of sport, refuges dedicated to the specific needs of transpeople etc? You know you would have got lots of support for that, not least from women on FWR. Instead you are prepared to offer them up on the altar of your ideology.

I absolutely think there is a case for better legislation in the US to ensure state by state that trans identifying people aren't discriminated against for basics like right to housing and work

@hihelenhi I agree, I do feel that there are issues in the US which do not apply here because we already have robust discrimination laws.

Although the Equality Act is, in itself, problematic as there is no clear definition of 'gender reassignment' and I think we will now get increasing numbers of Employment Tribunals on this point.

Trans people (well the majority ) don’t want to be othered and outed in every aspect of their public lives . They just want to be able to live their lives with dignity and privacy like everyone else.

I’d be more than happy to advocate for “third spaces” for transphobic people with xx chromosomes . But this idea never seems to go down well on these threads. I wonder why? 🤔

Trans people don't want to be othered and outed? Are you on some sort of banned substance?

And yes, please, for the love of goddess, a third space for women without men. That wouldn't be closed down before it opened due to threats of violence. Maybe a rat nailed to the door. Or bomb threats. Or harassment, or being followed down the street. We've tried all these by simply booking a meeting space, most of which have been cancelled, harangued, the staff have had rape and death threats for them and their families, mass 'downvotes' on review sites. I could go on for hours about all the things TRAs, the 'don't want to be outed' people have done time and again.

Most women don't want to share these spaces with men, so as we are the majority, you and your male friends can share the third space, @Lostcat

Ah but @Lostcat disowns those people and simply presents to us the poor 'tru trans' who only want to pee

I’d be more than happy to advocate for “third spaces” for transphobic people with xx chromosomes . But this idea never seems to go down well on these threads. I wonder why? 🤔

I beg to differ. You obviously haven't read this board very well at all. The concept of spaces for XX people who only want to share with other XX people has been suggested on here several times and met with a positive reaction.

People who don't mind who they share with can have a mixed sex space.
Your attempt at a "gotcha" has failed, sorry.

And women—the actual, physical kind who have more than some nebulous "automatic cognitive awareness that they're female" despite the objective facts—largely don't want to share spaces where they're vulnerable with males.And trans women are males. Literally. Women would like to be able to live their lives also without being told that the rights they had to fight for for over a century were meaningless, and that their material reality is irrelevant because some men feel sad that they can't be the same. Oh, and threatened with violence and demonising if they object. Which we can provide you with plenty of examples of.

This really is the crux of it. It is based on evidence about male behaviour. "Trans women", as all the evidence shows, on average have the same crime rates (and crimes) as other males, crucially in exactly the aspects that matter when it comes to the reasons why women had to have single sex spaces. And handwaving and trying to demonise and hate on women who point this reality out or wish to retain the rights they had to fight for by claiming false allegiances and false belief systems and mock outrage does not do that. It is misogynist in the extreme.

It would be more helpful, and in much better faith, if transactivists would engage with the actual issues for women instead of attempting disingenuous tricks and gaslighting that we can all spot at 50 paces. Cheers.