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Nordic Model Now article on Grooming Gangs

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IwantToRetire · 04/01/2025 20:15

Its frightening to think that in 2025 and beyond unaccountable male egotists will be running the world, as so many seem to think what is on social media is reality.

In response to the shit stirring by Musk, Nordic Model Now have written this statement https://nordicmodelnow.org/2025/01/03/on-grooming-gangs/

On “grooming gangs” | Nordic Model Now!

Why we should not be surprised by the grooming gangs in Rotherham and elsewhere while the government condones and facilitates an industry that profits from the similar abuse of women and girls.

https://nordicmodelnow.org/2025/01/03/on-grooming-gangs

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themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 13/01/2025 10:28

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/01/2025 10:20

They have been called child rapists but in their culture a 15 year old isn't a girl. In rural Pakistan 15 year olds are married with kids.

Some of the girls were pre-teens.

True but if you live in a culture that from a young age tells you a girl is a 'woman' at 15 then presumably the idea of 'barely legal' gets pushed younger.

It's abhorrent but to argue the culture involved played no part is almost certainly wrong and we need to have that discussion openly or nothing will change. What do they teach in the citizenship classes these days? Do they cover how it's illegal and wrong to force any female to have sex and also the age of consent?.

eatfigs · 13/01/2025 10:48

Focusing on the bigger picture is welcome but I think the authors should read this article by Julie Bindel and have a rethink about downplaying the religious and cultural aspects of these grooming gangs in particular:

https://courage.media/2025/01/03/islams-feminist-fantasy/

Islam's Feminist Fantasy

Many women seem willing to tie themselves in knots, in their efforts to believe that 'Muslim feminism' is a thing.

https://courage.media/2025/01/03/islams-feminist-fantasy

PaterPower · 13/01/2025 11:01

SuePine69 · 13/01/2025 10:05

As far as I can tell, they don't come from Bangladesh. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they seem to be of Pakistani origin and moreover from a particular part of Pakistan.

I would like to know everything about these men. What language do they speak amongst themselves? Probably not Urdu. Which mosques do they attend? Are they Deobandis or Barelvis? We already know that they come from poorer backgrounds because they seemed to be cab drivers mostly. These are all factors which might contribute to their attitudes to girls.

They have been called child rapists but in their culture a 15 year old isn't a girl. In rural Pakistan 15 year olds are married with kids.

There’s an extremely strong chance that a good proportion of these men were / are not first generation in this country.

If the ‘cultural’ (and I use that loosely in this instance) ties to a rural, socially backward and overwhelmingly misogynistic part of Pakistan are still that strong in second and third generation British citizens then we really are failing in integrating our ‘immigrant’ populations.

PaterPower · 13/01/2025 11:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/01/2025 10:20

They have been called child rapists but in their culture a 15 year old isn't a girl. In rural Pakistan 15 year olds are married with kids.

Some of the girls were pre-teens.

There was at least one report of a seven year old and a thirteen year old being found together by police, both partially undressed, with a group of these men. The thirteen YO was arrested.

Nobody’s reported (that I’ve seen) on what happened to the 7 YO, but the assumption has to be that she was left there by the cops.

And the Police genuinely seem to scratch their heads about why the general public would put more trust in an Estate Agent than in them these days 😏

user243245346 · 13/01/2025 13:01

IwantToRetire · 04/01/2025 20:15

Its frightening to think that in 2025 and beyond unaccountable male egotists will be running the world, as so many seem to think what is on social media is reality.

In response to the shit stirring by Musk, Nordic Model Now have written this statement https://nordicmodelnow.org/2025/01/03/on-grooming-gangs/

Thanks for that. It's interesting but does seem to me to be trying to downplay the racist elements of the grooming gang abuse and cover up. Of course it's not the only type of abuse but if you truly care about abuse victims you wouldn't engage in whataboutery every time the perpetrators have an inconvenient identity and behaviour for your woke world view.

user243245346 · 13/01/2025 13:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/01/2025 22:57

Whether "it's a bit rich" isn't really the issue, is it?

Absolutely. I think we need an enquiry specifically into the grooming gangs and those who covered it up and did not act when they should have done. I personally don't care if the tories or labour supported it in the past. It needs sunlight now.

user243245346 · 13/01/2025 13:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/01/2025 08:22

'white men are just as happy to rape and torture women and children as men of other ethnicities – possibly more so.

There is zero basis to claim this, I agree. Not to excuse the many terrible things white men have done to women and children, but to call out an obvious bullshit agenda-driven statement.

Absolutely. In any event, the grooming gangs were an example of rape and (at least in part racially motivated) sexual abuse of children. Often the perpetrators were not prosecuted and the crimes were covered up - partially due to the race of the perpetrators and their victims.

This should be investigated and dealt with properly. Of course there is other rape and sex abuse in the uk but that does not mean we should ignore the grooming gangs

oatmilkchocolate · 13/01/2025 15:23

ArabellaScott · 05/01/2025 07:51

The words you are putting in my mouth here are utterly offensive and disgusting.

@RayonSunrise is wilfully misunderstanding what you are saying.

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