Nordic Model Now article on Grooming Gangs

[IwantToRetire]

Its frightening to think that in 2025 and beyond unaccountable male egotists will be running the world, as so many seem to think what is on social media is reality.

In response to the shit stirring by Musk, Nordic Model Now have written this statement https://nordicmodelnow.org/2025/01/03/on-grooming-gangs/

Thanks for the share, it's a stark and well researched piece.

The British government even part owns Killing Kittensns, a company that hosts “sex parties” – which might be more accurately described as pop-up brothelsls.

wtf??!

Some food for thought in there about how our Govt has legitimised the wholesale pimping of women by allowing sites like Onlyfans free access to the UK market. I’ve never really thought about that angle all the way through - it’s so normalised now that it hasn’t occurred to me before to question it.

Probably helped in that respect by most of the mainstream press acting as free PR reps, publishing regular approving “look how much she earned from doing it” articles.

What the fucking fuck in fuck?

I think we had a thread about them once.

While the article makes some good (devastating) points about problems in the UK with pimping and prostitution and rape culture, the attempt to suggest that 'white men are worse' is badly misunderstanding the problem and is weakly made.

A large part of the problem with the rape gangs was/is the cover ups, the blind eyes, the lack of response due to fears of community tensions. So.the race/ethnicity of the men concerned is directly relevant, and trying to deny that is compounding the issue.

That's well documented in the Telegraph article, which I'll find a link to.

Here. Content warning for extreme CSA and abuse: https://archive.ph/EAbKj

Well said, Arabella.

How long before we have a close resemblance to the effectively free market sex in German, as described in this piece?

Legalized Prostitution In Germany Looks Like A Living Nightmare

When German anti-prostitution advocates talk about the situation of prostitution in Germany, we hear the same responses, over and over: “You’ve got to be kidding!” or “How is this possible?” When we do presentations in other countries, people in the audience will often start to cry or ask for a break after 15 minutes to get some fresh air. The same presentations in Germany cause outrage as well, but we’ve noticed that people have become so accustomed to the situation, their emotional response is subdued. In fact, German men will often openly and proudly out themselves as sex buyers at abolitionist events. There is no shame in being a commercial sex buyer in Germany. This is an obvious and alarming sign that decades of legalized prostitution have shaped society.

https://fightthenewdrug.org/germanys-legalized-prostitution-industry-looks-like-a-real-life-horror-movie/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kemi-badenoch-musk-starmer-grooming-gangs-b2672889.html

The Tories sat on this for 14 years though so it's a bit rich for them to suddenly demand an enquiry.

Whether "it's a bit rich" isn't really the issue, is it?

If your first concern is politics rather then women you need to have a long hard look at yourself

It's not just about governments. It encompasses all levels of society.

A large part of the problem with the rape gangs was/is the cover ups, the blind eyes, the lack of response due to fears of community tensions. So.the race/ethnicity of the men concerned is directly relevant, and trying to deny that is compounding the issue.

This.

This ^

It's not about whether men from one culture/ethnicity are more or less likely to sexually abuse women and young girls than men from another culture/ethnicity.

The problem is that if the abusers are not white then the authorities seem to be more keen to turn a blind eye to the abuse in the name of "community cohesion", or for fear of offending a particular group. Or for fear of appearing to be racist or politically incorrect...

I see this sort of problem getting worse with the increasing propagation of DEI training - particularly in public bodies - based on "critical theory" fallacies such as "all white people are racist", "white privilege" and on unconscious bias training.

I wonder what white privilege the poor victims in Rotherham, Oxford and Telford were enjoying?

@ArabellaScott - "... That's well documented in the Telegraph article, which I'll find a link to"

This one?

How the grooming gangs scandal was covered up

Evan Davis did an interesting interview on PM on Thursday 2nd January with Simon Bailey, a former Chief Constable of Norfolk and formerly the National Lead for Child Protection on the National Police Chiefs' council.

He talks about the police "tragically, egregiously, turning a blind eye" to what they must have known was happening in places like Rotherham.

The item starts at 31'42 and goes on to about 39'50"

PM - 02/01/2025 - BBC Sounds

No - the reality is that the cover ups go on all the time, but when it is men from ethnic communities some people are more motivated to push for some action to be taken.

Basically none of us know circumstances that have not been revealed.

The cliche about there will be responses of racism are a reflection that that would be used to try and divert from the issue.

And in the instances of abuse by white men (which is the majority, because the UK is a white majority country) other white men in positions of power aren't bothered.

And nobody has said white men are worse. The fact is all men of all races, classes, religion are as likely to be pimping as each other.

Why do you think we only hear about Muslim "rape gangs"? Because other groups of men aren't investigated in the same way.

If you dont think that, and that more men from Muslim communities are exploiting women, then it means you think Muslim men are worse.

I hadn't expected the thread to be hijacked so soon, and effectively not condescending to engage with the issues Nordic Model Now have written about.

There's already a thread for those who want to persue this rape is an enthnic minority problem.

I thought starting a new thread with a well written article would mean that as this is a feminist forum, the thread could discuss how to try and tackle the exploitation of vulnerable women in all communities around the way.

Maybe the issue isn't about some w**ker like Musk, but more that some are just waiting for an opportunity to hijack the horrendous issue of the sexual emploitation of women to score points about how men from some communities are worse that others.

As ever, OP, it's a discussion forum and people are going to discuss. Much as you may like to control what is discussed and how, it doesn't work like that.

How do you know it’s her “first concern”? I think we can take it read that we all think the abuse and its cover-up are horrific.

I think it’s perfectly relevant to point out that the Tory government also rejected a request for a public enquiry. Either there is some legal reason why Oldham council can’t request a public enquiry, or both Labour and the Tories are (or have been) unwilling to have all this properly looked at, in public.

As for 'nobody said white men are worse', I was responding to this point in the article:

'white men are just as happy to rape and torture women and children as men of other ethnicities – possibly more so. Think of Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter, Jeffrey Epstein, and the multitude of white men on the Epstein flight lists who have never been held to account.'

(my bold).

Citing a few named white men in this context is frankly irrelevant to the point.

What is relevant to the argument is not anecdata, but stats on the proportion of men involved in grooming gangs.

Sadly the problem is so large and common (on this point I agree with NMN) that there is enough data out there to make comparisons.

Also relevant is evidence of institutional cover up.

Perhaps read the article I linked to upthread.

None of this is 'hijacking'. It's directly responding to the NMN article and points raised in it.

And the OP can discuss the article as she wishes, too. You telling her to shut up because you genuinely believe sexual abuse of women and girls never happens & gets ignored/covered up outside Muslim communities in Britain (hang on, hasn't the Archbishop of Canterbury JUST been forced to resign over CSA...?) isn't any more binding.

Where did I tell anyone to 'shut up'?

The words you are putting in my mouth here are utterly offensive and disgusting.

But @ArabellaScott isn’t telling the OP to “shut up”. She’s just pointing out that we can all discuss it in the way we wish.

I dont know which world you are living in, Iwanttoretire. People are outraged about sexual abuse and cover ups when ever they are exposed and whoever perpetrates them.

The only difference is when its TV personalities or priests no one accuses the outrage of being motivated by an 'ism' and to think about "circumstances that have not been revealed".