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Labour rejects calls for Oldham grooming gang inquiry

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Signalbox · 02/01/2025 11:49

Are Labour right to push the responsibility for carrying out a public inquiry back onto Oldham Council?

I don't understand how it is considered acceptable for local authorities to carry out their own inquiries when they are often part of the institutional failure that allowed these crimes to be carried out on such a large scale over decades. Councils, police and social services were/are all implicated in the failure to act (or to actively obstruct) in some way or another.

"Phillips’ letter to Oldham Council, seen by GB News, claims it is for the the local authority ‘alone to decide to commission an inquiry into child sexual exploitation locally, rather than for the government to intervene.’ Reports have previously been commissioned and produced in Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford; Oldham now plans to launch its own Telford-style inquiry. Given the strength of feeling – which Phillips acknowledges in her letter – it seems inevitable that there will be questions or debate in the Commons when parliament returns next week."

"Yet for the hundreds of victims and those invested in bringing perpetrators to justice, this will seem pitifully inadequate. In each town where grooming gangs operated, similar patterns emerged: victims were ignored, law enforcement complicit and political officials more concerned about reputational damage than lives affected. Local authorities can hold their own inquiries, of course. But given the scale of these crimes, the fact they took place over decades, in many towns, suggests a level of institutional complicity requiring the attention of central government."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-rejects-calls-for-oldham-grooming-gang-inquiry/

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Labour rejects calls for Oldham grooming gang inquiry

Jess Phillips, the Safeguarding Minister, has rejected calls for a government inquiry into historic child abuse in Oldham

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-rejects-calls-for-oldham-grooming-gang-inquiry

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WarriorN · 08/01/2025 20:25

nauticant · 08/01/2025 16:33

Andrew Norfolk was just on The Media Show on Radio 4 talking about the recent developments in the scandal. Now, he's a voice worth listening to.

He wouldn't touch the story initially when it was below the radar because the Far Right had seized on it. That's familiar. He eventually did get involved and saw the mainstream media go out of their way to avoid looking at the scandal. It was clear that this was being echoed across the Establishment. He then started to notice that the mainstream media were concealing the identities of the rapists (sound familiar?), he got his story into the Times and then there was the initial exposure of the scandal. But then he and others at The Times were attacked by parts of the media and academia as being racists. Eventually this led to the first of the Inquiries. Two years in he (with a colleague) was able to speak to senior staff at the DPP including Starmer. His version of Starmer here is positive about Starmer rewriting the guidelines which enabled a wave of prosecutions.

Norfolk is horrified that the debate now is being driven and manipulated by lies from over the Atlantic.

In a completey unsurprising move, apparently The Guardian rejected the story out of fear of being labelled as racist.

I'd say that's an essential listen: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0026ncy

Thanks for this; plus just seen his tweet on Twitter on similar lines

PerkingFaintly · 08/01/2025 20:26

Datun · 08/01/2025 16:17

Okay, good. I can spot a goader TRA at a million paces, but that's because I've honed it. So good to know

Indeedy.

Playing the same game, too. Nice little screenshots to 'prove' that 'people on MN were saying...'

It's awful to see more and more real posters getting sucked in and engaging as if that poster's genuine. Such incredibly serious stuff, and very distressing for many.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 20:29

I don't believe that poster is the only one posting in bad faith on that thread.

lcakethereforeIam · 08/01/2025 20:40

Alright one more article then I'll stop

https://archive.ph/XgDSh

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/grooming-gang-victims-furious-at-pms-accusation-jktwfmr0w

Fwiw I don't believe Starmer did intend to imply that everyone expressing concerns was far right. I see that as park of the same incompetence that put the tiktok with the child rapey backing track.

I would rather have actions than more words at the moment, so I agree with Maggie Oliver both about Starmer and this

Oliver said: “The original inquiry was a terrible missed opportunity. But I’m not yet calling for another inquiry, let’s get the recommendations implemented first. Just two weeks was given to the grooming gang section and only one victim was allowed to give evidence — it was a terrible missed opportunity.

I understand why Labour blocked the amendment, at least for the moment. Let's get this done, and quickly, then urgently see what can be done about grooming gangs, their victims and the people and agencies that failed them.

Grooming-gang victims furious at PM’s ‘far right bandwagon’ claim

The detective who blew whistle on the grooming scandal also says the child sexual abuse inquiry spent just two weeks out of seven years looking at gangs

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/grooming-gang-victims-furious-at-pms-accusation-jktwfmr0w

ChristinaXYZ · 08/01/2025 20:41

Signalbox · 02/01/2025 14:25

Personally I don’t think the decision to commission or not to commission an inquiry should be left to councils. There should be a mandatory inquiry in every town / city where grooming gangs have operated for decades under the eyes of councils and police. Each town will have issues specific to their own area and some of those who might have intervened will still be working never having been held to account.

Labour said before the election that they wanted to half violence against women and girls. How will they ever manage to come close to achieving this whilst still burying their heads in the sand in relation to this ongoing scandal.

Exactly. Bradford for example have said no to a local inquiry.

I also note the Green Party MPs voted with Labour on the amendment this evening.

HellyTS · 08/01/2025 21:28

Rosie Duffield voted with Labour and against an inquiry on behalf of the girls, I can't tell you how disappointed I am in her - what was the point of leaving Labour if she is going to vote against protecting children?

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 08/01/2025 21:42

Some big names abstained as well:

votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1900#notrecorded

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 21:51

also note the Green Party MPs voted with Labour on the amendment this evening.

Two of the four, by the looks of it. Two abstained.

Signalbox · 09/01/2025 08:27

Sammy Woodhouse is saying she’s been contacted by North Yorkshire Police and told to remove posts from X

x.com/sammywoodhouse1/status/1877076122778874008

Labour rejects calls for Oldham grooming gang inquiry
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 09:26

Sammy Woodhouse is saying she’s been contacted by North Yorkshire Police and told to remove posts from X

South Yorkshire police - Rotherham is in S Yorks.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 09:28

I think Labour were whipped though, weren't they? So given what happened to those who voted against the government on the benefit cap, I can understand why they did, to an extent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 09:28

We don't know who would be supportive if it was a free vote.

illinivich · 09/01/2025 09:42

There are also good reasons why attaching an inquiry to this bill isnt the way to go.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/01/2025 10:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 09:28

I think Labour were whipped though, weren't they? So given what happened to those who voted against the government on the benefit cap, I can understand why they did, to an extent.

Three line whip for thee but not for me

votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1900#notrecorded

Wonder how Yvette Cooper is feeling about that? Quite telling about who's in and who's out in the top team

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 12:21

There are also good reasons why attaching an inquiry to this bill isnt the way to go.

Yes, agree.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/01/2025 12:27

Great article @lcakethereforeIam

How about some opprobrium or prosecutions of the people who oversaw all this, or at least some accountability? While leader of Telford council in 2016, Shaun Davies signed a letter to the then home secretary saying that ‘we do not feel at this time that a further inquiry is necessary’ into rape gangs in his town. He is now the Labour MP for Telford. Shaun Wright, the Rotherham councillor responsible for children’s services from 2005 to 2010, went on to become South Yorkshire’s police and crime commissioner.

In 2012, Helen Brayley claimed that ‘the current obsession with “Asian sex gangs” focuses too narrowly on one dimension to this crime, making the emergent profile of the “Pakistani groomer” misleading’. Her job title is now Deputy Director, Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children Operational Delivery, in the Home Office.

As for the police, in 2018 the West Mercia superintendent Tom Harding insisted that the figure of 1,000 girls abused in Telford was ‘sensationalised’. The independent review later found it plausible. He is now Director of Operational Standards at the College of Policing. The Telford inquiry heard that police ‘dropped cases like a hot potato’ in order to avoid being labelled racist.

illinivich · 09/01/2025 12:31

The same pressures and attitudes that led to this scandal are going to be placed onto every inquiry until we have a shift in political thinking.

Until safeguarding is the primary focus for all politicians, we are going to have other factors taking priority.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 09/01/2025 12:34

I am so sick of people banging on about Elon Musk (not on here thank goodness) rather than the rape of little girls, who were traumatised beyond belief and still have not yet received any form of justice.

If when Elon Musk says 'bloody hell, the information coming out from these court cases is horrific' someone's first instinct is to criticise Musk and shout 'far right misinformation' rather than look at and talk about the child abuse he's talking about, then they're part of the problem which caused this rape and torture of children in the UK to go on unabated for years.

I'd like to see Starmer acting as quickly to fire people in public jobs and instigate criminal charges for those in any way involved in the complicity and cover up around these child rapes as he did when rapidly sentencing those he claimed were stirring up hatred after the Southport massacre of young girls. He's shown he can do it when he wants to.

It's ironic that the cover up and complicity will do far more to damage society and race relations than those crimes being openly discussed and properly prosecuted at the time would have done. Because literally no-one trusts the politicians or media to tell the truth on this any more.

dkl55 · 09/01/2025 16:01

Seems like Andy Burnham has come out to say another limited national inquiry may be necessary into this specific issue. AND Starmer didn’t vote on the bill amendment. I wonder if AB has an eye on his own future prospects in a future leadership bid….

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/01/2025 17:14

dkl55 · 09/01/2025 16:01

Seems like Andy Burnham has come out to say another limited national inquiry may be necessary into this specific issue. AND Starmer didn’t vote on the bill amendment. I wonder if AB has an eye on his own future prospects in a future leadership bid….

This seems eminently plausible

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Floisme · 09/01/2025 17:56

Thanks for that link @Signalbox.These two extracts explain a lot:

'The mayor told BBC Radio Manchesterer_ people were not required to give evidence to the review team, adding it was "appalling" that in the Rochdale review some police officers refused to take part.'*

"There's a difference at a local level and a statutory public inquiry. There will always be limitations with what you can do with a local review. The review team could not compel someone to speak to them."

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Signalbox · 09/01/2025 19:55

Floisme · 09/01/2025 17:56

Thanks for that link @Signalbox.These two extracts explain a lot:

'The mayor told BBC Radio Manchesterer_ people were not required to give evidence to the review team, adding it was "appalling" that in the Rochdale review some police officers refused to take part.'*

"There's a difference at a local level and a statutory public inquiry. There will always be limitations with what you can do with a local review. The review team could not compel someone to speak to them."

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You have to wonder what is the point of an inquiry where people aren’t obligated to cooperate?

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