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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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ConversingWithStrangers · 30/12/2024 10:45

The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

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NotBadConsidering · 03/01/2025 21:54

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 21:46

Feel free to join @ellenback21 in telling all those lesbians they are just kidding themselves about their sexuality and aren’t really lesbians.

Happily so. Anyone of the male sex who is attracted to the male sex is not exclusively heterosexual. Anyone of the female sex who is attracted to the male sex is not exclusively homosexual. Objective reality.

I don’t know why, Lostcat, you don’t just call people homogenderal. You can have your own word to describe your reality and everyone can ignore it, instead of you trying to redefine the world’s words.

i may just start referring to you as Founddog, instead. Because I think lost means found, and cat means dog. And you can’t tell me it doesn’t.

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 21:56

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 21:53

Honey, we've already covered this. Transwomen are men.
Have you ever met a lesbian who is attracted to men? I think you need to expand your social circle, include some people who understand basic biology and can help you out.

Btw, finds attractive and is attracted to are two very different things. You are so terribly confused.

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“Honey”?

LoobiJee · 03/01/2025 21:56

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 21:44

Well for example- without getting into the whole complex relationship between fertility, gender , sex and transition, what on earth is the relevance of who can get who pregnant to sex segregation in social, political , public , legal life? Sounds like something a member of the Taliban or Isis would say to justify covering women/ girls from head to toe and never allowing them to leave the house, or attend school, incase someone might get them pregnant?

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what on earth is the relevance of who can get who pregnant to sex segregation in social…life”

Well it’s relevant to shared sleeping accommodation on school trips for one example

And it’s relevant to single-sex female-only women’s prisons for another.

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 21:57

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 21:56

“Honey”?

Yes, dear?

ellenback21 · 03/01/2025 22:06

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 21:44

Well for example- without getting into the whole complex relationship between fertility, gender , sex and transition, what on earth is the relevance of who can get who pregnant to sex segregation in social, political , public , legal life? Sounds like something a member of the Taliban or Isis would say to justify covering women/ girls from head to toe and never allowing them to leave the house, or attend school, incase someone might get them pregnant?

Edited

This is a shockingly poor answer @Lostcat . I am genuinely surprised you couldn't do better than this.

nutmeg7 · 03/01/2025 22:06

LoobiJee · 03/01/2025 21:56

what on earth is the relevance of who can get who pregnant to sex segregation in social…life”

Well it’s relevant to shared sleeping accommodation on school trips for one example

And it’s relevant to single-sex female-only women’s prisons for another.

Thanks for putting that clearly, I was struggling with disbelief that this wouldn’t be obvious to everyone. I’m really shocked at how divorced some believers in gender theory are from material and practical reality.

ShamblesRock · 03/01/2025 22:07

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 21:21

Question.
Has anyone reading or participating on this thread learned anything from it, or in anyway (at least even slightly) changed or broadened their perspective or looked at things in a different way, or from a different angle as a result of the discussion?

Well, I'm now shit scared for my lesbian DD, and worry how she will ever navigate the dating scene if her current relationship doesn't work out.

I'm guessing that isn't what you mean though.

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:08

LoobiJee · 03/01/2025 21:56

what on earth is the relevance of who can get who pregnant to sex segregation in social…life”

Well it’s relevant to shared sleeping accommodation on school trips for one example

And it’s relevant to single-sex female-only women’s prisons for another.

So Two very specific scenarios (although let’s be real I think the school one has more to do with prudery than anything else- if teenagers want to do stuff that can result in pregnancy they’ll find a way regardless of a school trip 😉).
So that really leaves prisons.
in any case do you think there might be ways of managing risks in these specific scenarios in a proportionate manner , and on a case by case basis , which safeguards everyone? Because I’m pretty sure that’s easily achievable .

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:09

ShamblesRock · 03/01/2025 22:07

Well, I'm now shit scared for my lesbian DD, and worry how she will ever navigate the dating scene if her current relationship doesn't work out.

I'm guessing that isn't what you mean though.

Well, I'm now shit scared for my lesbian DD, and worry how she will ever navigate the dating scene if her current relationship doesn't work out

why?

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 22:09

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:08

So Two very specific scenarios (although let’s be real I think the school one has more to do with prudery than anything else- if teenagers want to do stuff that can result in pregnancy they’ll find a way regardless of a school trip 😉).
So that really leaves prisons.
in any case do you think there might be ways of managing risks in these specific scenarios in a proportionate manner , and on a case by case basis , which safeguards everyone? Because I’m pretty sure that’s easily achievable .

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It's very easily achievable, by keeping males out of of women's prisons.
Are you for that?

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:10

ellenback21 · 03/01/2025 22:06

This is a shockingly poor answer @Lostcat . I am genuinely surprised you couldn't do better than this.

if That’s all you’ve got I think that’s telling tbh.

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:11

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 21:21

Question.
Has anyone reading or participating on this thread learned anything from it, or in anyway (at least even slightly) changed or broadened their perspective or looked at things in a different way, or from a different angle as a result of the discussion?

Since the only person who answered this said that the thread had only served to increase their phobias, I think that’s all I need to know.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/01/2025 22:12

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 20:47

ie there is a way that people who are women think that is different to people who are men think that is an a priori fundamental quality of women not simply a result of sex differences or of the different sexes being treated differently by society.

Im baffled as to how you got that from what I said.

Thats not what I said at all.

The rest of your post is not intelligible to me unfortunately.

Convenient. I'll simplify.

You believe there exists a subconscious sex which is independent of body sex. Therefore, you believe that there is some difference in thought between "men" and "women" that is not a secondary effect of the different social and physical experiences we have as a result of our bodies but sonething fundamental that exists and matters in its own right.

The rest of my post questions why female people who may not identify as having a "subconscious sex" of woman are nevertheless expected to share private spaces with male people simply because of an assumed match between their female body and the male person's subconscious sex, and why is it not considered acceptable for them to want separate provision or provision based on body sex even though the female people may not experience, recognise or identify with this mental womanhood.

ellenback21 · 03/01/2025 22:14

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:08

So Two very specific scenarios (although let’s be real I think the school one has more to do with prudery than anything else- if teenagers want to do stuff that can result in pregnancy they’ll find a way regardless of a school trip 😉).
So that really leaves prisons.
in any case do you think there might be ways of managing risks in these specific scenarios in a proportionate manner , and on a case by case basis , which safeguards everyone? Because I’m pretty sure that’s easily achievable .

Edited

Oh good God. You assume the girl will be consenting to the sex.

nutmeg7 · 03/01/2025 22:15

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:08

So Two very specific scenarios (although let’s be real I think the school one has more to do with prudery than anything else- if teenagers want to do stuff that can result in pregnancy they’ll find a way regardless of a school trip 😉).
So that really leaves prisons.
in any case do you think there might be ways of managing risks in these specific scenarios in a proportionate manner , and on a case by case basis , which safeguards everyone? Because I’m pretty sure that’s easily achievable .

Edited

Prudery?
Is that really the only reason any of us might want our daughters to avoid mixed sex accommodation on school trips?
Have you heard of sexual assault? Or perhaps many teenagers value their privacy? Or are not ready for mixed sex sleeping accommodation.

I actually just think you are a bit simple now. Or desperate to be a cool girl.

ShamblesRock · 03/01/2025 22:18

Honestly, I can't even be bothered to engage, I'm shit s arsed* of people like you who think they can tell lesbian's what to think. Who will likely bully her and tell her she has to accept dick.

Good luck to others still engaging on this thread.

  • That was some weird typo / autocorrect for shit scared but it still stands.
JeremiahBullfrog · 03/01/2025 22:19

We segregate people based on their bodies because some people with one type of body (males) use those bodies to hurt people with another type of body (females). And because the two types of body work differently in relation to urination and other functions that people prefer to keep private.

It makes no sense to segregate people on the basis of some inner feeling about who they truly are, because inner feelings have nothing to do with going to the toilet or having periods, and can't be used as weapons. You might as well segregate people on the basis of their favourite colour or what type of music they like. And that would, needless to say, be utterly stupid.

ellenback21 · 03/01/2025 22:19

nutmeg7 · 03/01/2025 22:15

Prudery?
Is that really the only reason any of us might want our daughters to avoid mixed sex accommodation on school trips?
Have you heard of sexual assault? Or perhaps many teenagers value their privacy? Or are not ready for mixed sex sleeping accommodation.

I actually just think you are a bit simple now. Or desperate to be a cool girl.

Yep. Social justice warrior. Maybe with an -ology of some sort. Lots of luxury beliefs but little experience of making an evidenced argument. I'm out

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:19

nutmeg7 · 03/01/2025 22:15

Prudery?
Is that really the only reason any of us might want our daughters to avoid mixed sex accommodation on school trips?
Have you heard of sexual assault? Or perhaps many teenagers value their privacy? Or are not ready for mixed sex sleeping accommodation.

I actually just think you are a bit simple now. Or desperate to be a cool girl.

You do realise that it’s possible eg for boys to sexually assault other boys right? Or have you never heard of that ? And that everyone deserves privacy? And that some kids are gay right? So yes safeguarding and protecting privacy is important but “sex segregation” isn’t the panacea for achieving that that you think it is. Life just isn’t that simple or that black and white.

DowntonCrabbie · 03/01/2025 22:20

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:11

Since the only person who answered this said that the thread had only served to increase their phobias, I think that’s all I need to know.

Edited

That's not even slightly what she said.

Are you having trouble reading now as well?

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:21

Oh now I’m a cool girl? Yet another personal attack / misogynistic slur.

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:23

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:11

Since the only person who answered this said that the thread had only served to increase their phobias, I think that’s all I need to know.

Edited

And for this reason I’m not going to waste any more of my time.

JeremiahBullfrog · 03/01/2025 22:24

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:19

You do realise that it’s possible eg for boys to sexually assault other boys right? Or have you never heard of that ? And that everyone deserves privacy? And that some kids are gay right? So yes safeguarding and protecting privacy is important but “sex segregation” isn’t the panacea for achieving that that you think it is. Life just isn’t that simple or that black and white.

Edited

Segregation of males and females is a proven method of reducing male-on-female assaults. Of course it doesn't solve every problem. It does solve some problems, and it would be idiotic to get rid of it.

Men are in any case much less likely to be sexually assaulted by other men than women are, and 100% less likely to get pregnant as a result.

nutmeg7 · 03/01/2025 22:24

ellenback21 · 03/01/2025 22:14

Oh good God. You assume the girl will be consenting to the sex.

I think Lostcat is just caught up in defending their ideological position without much deep thought. Seems quite naive to me.

Waitwhat23 · 03/01/2025 22:24

Lostcat · 03/01/2025 22:08

So Two very specific scenarios (although let’s be real I think the school one has more to do with prudery than anything else- if teenagers want to do stuff that can result in pregnancy they’ll find a way regardless of a school trip 😉).
So that really leaves prisons.
in any case do you think there might be ways of managing risks in these specific scenarios in a proportionate manner , and on a case by case basis , which safeguards everyone? Because I’m pretty sure that’s easily achievable .

Edited

A 'case by case' basis in Scottish prisons allowed a double rapist to be placed in the female prison estate (following SPS policy) and was only reversed due to public outcry.

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