How many MNers will join me in applying for a GRC??

[QueenDoria]

having read on another thread that it only costs £5 to apply for a GRC, how many MNers will join me in applying to ‘become’ a man?
one’s legal status as a mother will not change, and I’m sure we’ll all see a 20% uplift in our wages…
We might get turned down if the panel gets an inkling we might be insincere, but, for the sake of a fiver, we could swamp the application process…
#legalfallacy

That's because you need to be a Doctor to understand them.
A Doctor in Gender Studies.

AIUI, nothing happens automatically. If the partner doesn't agree with getting a HRC, then an 'interim certificate' is provided, rather than the full GRC. This document enables an annulment or divorce to take place.

www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate#:~:text=If%20your%20application%20is%20successful,you%20get%20your%20interim%20certificate.

But TRAs are campaigning to remove this exit clause (incorrectly calling it spousal veto, as PP said).

They want a married man* to be able to get a GRC and then if his wife wants to divorce him, she will end up with the new name on the divorce papers, so it looks like she was married to a woman.

I'm all for actual same sex marriage but enabling one party to unilaterally force the other into one would be outrageous

• in theory it could work the other way too, with a woman getting the GRC

All of which is so obviously wrong, but these days?

This entire thread is bollocks.

In order to obtain a GRC, you need to have 2 independent recognised experts diagnose you with gender dysphoria - itself a lengthy, costly, intrusive and difficult process. You also need to provide at least 2 years worth of evidence of the steps you have taken towards medical, legal and social transition. The expectation will be that you are living entirely as your acquired gender for all legal and social purposes to the fullest extent that you can, and you will need to prove this extensively, with at least one piece of evidence for every month of those two years, plus copies of deed polls and updated ID. And although you are not technically required to have undergone any specific medical procedure to acquire a GRC, you are much more likely to be rejected if you have not had any medical interventions and express no intention of doing so. Your evidence will be scrutinized by a panel and it's commonplace even for people who have all this evidence to be rejected based on some arbitrary technical detail.

Unless the OP has literally spent the last 2 years medically, legally and socially transitioning, she will not have any of the required evidence, her application will be rejected and all she will have achieved is wasting a fiver and proving the opposite of the point she is trying to prove.

And will OP be humble and honest enough to come back to the thread and be all "Actually lads, getting a GRC is much harder than I thought, I was wrong to say anyone can just get one for a fiver"? No of course she won't. Because the entire GC movement is built on bigots sitting around in their little echo chambers repeating lies and misinformation to each other. In fact, I suspect OP is deliberately spreading misinformation because multiple people have now pointed out there's a bit more to it than just paying a fiver and she's been crickets on how she plans to meet any of the other requirements.

Your evidence will be scrutinized by a panel and it's commonplace even for people who have all this evidence to be rejected based on some arbitrary technical detail.

Eh? The success rate of applications for a gender-recognition certificate (GRC) is consistently 80-90%.

And that panel? It's two people, who merely read the paperwork.

Howling, what "experts" ? Experts in what?

Most, like 90% are approved first time, some need a second go around and very very few are denied. But just try all over again with a different name.

Please do tell what the experts are expert in? And as you obviously know so much about the process, let us know when exactly a man becomes a woman. And how that is proved.

Eh? The success rate of applications for a gender-recognition certificate (GRC) is consistently 80-90%.

Must be trans-commonplace for them to be rejected "on an arbitrary technical detail".

The expectation will be that you are living entirely as your acquired gender for all legal and social purposes to the fullest extent that you can

Hence the repeated question as to how can a man possibly live as a woman in any way. He can't. The whole thing is an utter farce. It's a made up requirement invented by the doctors that are fully invested in maintaining their income.

The whole thing is a sham.

How very dare you question my commitment to becoming a (mediocre) man?
I have the DGofD, power tools and the feels.

I might have something in common with Richard Dawkins too.

Also, what’s the cricket?

Oh.

That doesn't feel right to me somehow but I can't get my head round it all. I guess there needs to be a way to mark the transition on paper but I'm not keen on the backdating.

Ah thank you. I guess they are saying they were the other sex all along but it still seems like there should be an opt out.

Also, what misinformation have I spread?

as far as I can tell, I responded to the (true fact) that it only costs a fiver to get a GRC?

It cost over £60 for a driving test.
and passing or failing that doesn’t affect anyone else’s legal/marital history.

Thanks @duc748 that link did indeed answer my question.

You're making yourself look silly 😂

If you can't tell the difference between a test of skill that most people can pass and is easy to pass and convincing a medical professional you are transgender I can't help you.

The fact that you think the monetary cost of these evaluations is relevant either is laughable.

You may as well have said it's ridiculous that a pack of sausages only costs £2, a wedding cake costs £400 and nothing had to die to make it!! Unbelievable!!!

The silly ones here are the ones who fervently believe that a GRC can make you the opposite sex.

There are very real concerns being raised on this thread. Several people have discovered for the first time what the so-called spousal veto actually means. So thank you to the people who have calmly explained it.

But since you're here, Ava, perhaps you could tell all us make-up-less, trouser-wearing, power-tool-owning short-haired women what it is that "living as a woman" is? That would be super helpful.

Bonus points if you could also help us with explaining how it is right that one marriage partner should be allowed to force the other into a same-sex marriage against their will?

I fear that I am likely to fail the Kankle test.
Along with my inability to dance the Gay Gordons.
(According to my therapist.)

in my school - batshit place - in the early 80s we didn't have PE in the upper 6th. We had ballroom dancing (for all the coming out parties we'd be going to - staggeringly despite my lack of invitations to coming out parties of that ilk, it did come in VERY useful during my time in the army. I was on the shooting team, so one more feather in my "living as a man" cap).

As it was a girls school we had to take it in turns to "be the male partner" (ohhhh i started early, i have way more than 2 years of this behind me. I can smell the ink on my GRC already). So i can do the male part of the Gay Gordon.

I don't think you have to do anything to convince GenderGP that you're trans other than pay the fee.

I don't think you have to do anything to convince GenderGP that you're trans other than pay the fee.

Quite. Harder to pass a driving test.

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Appreciating the sunlight being brought to this practice! Oh well Ava, you tried.

Apparently the average pass rate for the driving test in the UK is 48%.

Dismissing people's comments on the monetary cost of these evaluations is a very privileged position to take. When a passport costs £88 - £100 to obtain it seems somewhat unreasonable that a powerful group of lobbyists is able to get the state to subsidise the cost of their certificate claiming that they're the opposite sex to their birth sex.

It's not "silly" to point out all the hazards that this nonsensical process is causing to society - especially the safeguarding risks, the dangers to children, the decriminalisation of indecent exposure and voyeurism and more. When you're faced with an ideology that uses bullying, threats and intimidation as their modus operandi, humour is an excellent antidote.