How many MNers will join me in applying for a GRC??

[QueenDoria]

having read on another thread that it only costs £5 to apply for a GRC, how many MNers will join me in applying to ‘become’ a man?
one’s legal status as a mother will not change, and I’m sure we’ll all see a 20% uplift in our wages…
We might get turned down if the panel gets an inkling we might be insincere, but, for the sake of a fiver, we could swamp the application process…
#legalfallacy

No.
Pointing out that the process costs a risible £5, that letters etc can be copied from the internet and that the whole idea of "living as a woman" or man is a nonsensical idea that promotes regressive stereotypes is factual. Using humour to expose the flaws is a legitimate approach.

The range of hazards has become increasingly evident and it's relevant to remind people of the consequences for children, for women and society as a whole of promoting the belief that sex change is possible.

Fabulous..it’s not a joke ffs and very demeaning to others to joke about this so thank you for putting this up

Wow, yet another TRA turns out to be a raging transphobe 😲

You do realise that makes you a TERF, don't you?

So if you aren’t allowed to ask who has a GRC, how do you know which TW are men and which TW are legally no longer their natal sex?

Please share how we can tell?

Good thing I'm not a TRA then isn't it!

I'm just a normal person that believes everyone has the right live without being hated for what they are. That gets my labelled as a TRA by the GC crowd because I don't agree with them, doesn't make them right though! Wait... That's a general theme here isn't it....

How's everyone doing? I'm well on with it.
Apparently, I can't submit more than eight pieces of evidence from over the last two years. Decisions decisions.

"Evidence of living in your gender for the last 2 years
You’ll need copies of evidence to show that you’ve been living in your affirmed gender for the last 2 years.
Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

• a name
• a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
• a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’

There are no other specific requirements for this evidence, but try to find:

• evidence from different points over the 2 years, with roughly 1 piece of evidence for every 3 months
• at least one piece of evidence from the last 2 or 3 months
• evidence from a variety of different sources

The evidence can come from before you were diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Examples of what you can send in include good quality photocopies or photographs of:

• your driving licence
• your passport
• identity cards, like workplace IDs, student IDs, railcards, health insurance cards, library cards or supermarket loyalty cards
• letters from solicitors, accountants, doctors, dentists or employers
• bank statements
• payslips, P60s and P45s
• benefit letters
• tax letters and documents, including council tax
• credit reports
• confirmation letters that you’re on the electoral register
• student loan statements
• utility bills, such as internet bills
• rental agreements
• academic certificates and documents

You might be asked to send in more evidence after you submit your application."

Good thing I'm not a TRA then isn't it!

Glad to hear it

Mate, none of this is "obvious"

Don't be ridiculous. I don't believe that trans women are any of the horrible things TERFs claim them to be.

You could have saved some time if you had just read the previous posts, which basically laid all that you have just posted out before you did…

You could have been fly-by-castigating FWR women for something they haven’t already stated…

Terfs believe them to be men. As do you it would seem

No.
Pointing out that the process costs a risible £5, that letters etc can be copied from the internet and that the whole idea of "living as a woman" or man is a nonsensical idea that promotes regressive stereotypes is factual. Using humour to expose the flaws is a legitimate approach.

The range of hazards has become increasingly evident and it's relevant to remind people of the consequences for children, for women and society as a whole of promoting the belief that sex change is possible.

Yes, and any and all sunlight is welcome, so it's good this thread is taking off.

Don't be ridiculous. I don't believe that trans women are any of the horrible things TERFs claim them to be.

They simply believe they are men. Like you do, until they gain this magic piece of paper.

So why are you all still banging on about people being forced into same sex marriage?

It seemed it needed stating again for those who missed it.

You could have saved some time if you had just read the previous posts, which basically laid all that you have just posted out before you did…

Quite.

OK, so a man who identifies as a woman and doesn't have a GRC is still a man. Right, then...

We have person A, a man who identifies as a woman and "lives as a woman" but who doesn't have a GRC, so is a man.

We have person B, a man who identifies as a woman and "lives as a woman" but who does have a GRC, so is not a man.

Apart from the piece of paper, what is the difference between the two - biologically, in appearance, in habits, hobbies and other lifestyle choices and so on?

Same question regarding two women who identify as men.

So why are you all still banging on about people being forced into same sex marriage?

Because without the existence of the spousal exit clause, they would be. The one TRAs and some high up members of the Labour government have said needs to be abolished.

You do realise that gay men could be forced into a "straight" marriage too? Would you care then?

But what about the trans men like me? Don’t assume everyone applying for a GRC is a man claiming to be a woman. I’m a woman claiming to be a man! How very dare you!!
sexist and transphobic

Ah "banging on" - way to minimise women's legitimate concerns.

Do you think that the spousal exit clause should be kept then?

Or do you actually think the marriage contract should be able to be unilaterally changed?

Angel, what do you understand by the term 'TERF'?

(When its not being misused as a dehumanising slur as documented here www.terfisaslur.com ).?

I didn’t mention being forced into same sex marriage.

Maybe, however, if you had actually read the previous posts, you would have realised that previous posters were saying that TRAs are trying to remove the clause in law that allows the spouse to opt out being legally classified as having been in a same sex marriage when the spouse gains a GRC.

😏

come on AngelAva, let's put it to the test.

What, in your view, would a man do to be 'living as a woman'. Let's see whether or not you can spot the sexism.

https://www.transwidowsvoices.org/spousal-exit-clause

Why is the Spousal Exit Clause important for Trans Widows, particularly when we now have no fault divorce in England and Wales?

The key issue is that there is provision for an annulment which enables those trans widows who cannot get divorced for religious or cultural reasons to exit their marriage.

The Exit Clause also enables spouses to exit the marriage before, rather than after, its status potentially changes, and their heterosexual marriage legally becomes a same sex marriage that they didn’t sign up to.

Have you missed the campaign by TRAs to remove the spousal exit clause and force women into a same-sex marriage (in name) against their will?

Labour and the LibDems have both said they want to remove this clause.