Trans remembrance flags and SNP renews support for LGBTYS

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14226129/Trans-remembrance-flags-flown-public-buildings.html

What is going on here.
Why are they so determined to support LGBTYS and trans young people - who is driving this?

Hi @MarieDeGournay, sorry my comment was merely meant to say that I wasn’t accusing you of calling me antisemitic. That was a specific (and highly offensive) slur used by another poster (in fairness, one of whom I don’t expect anything else!).

It’s true that the specific term ‘transgender’ wasn’t used in 1930s Germany, and that the terms ‘Transvestiten’ and ‘Transexualismus’ were used instead. However, I think basing an argument on semantics in that way is misleading. By the 30s Germany had a world leading institute looking at the trans experience, and also had a legal mechanism through which trans people could live and be legally recognised as the gender they identified as (rather than that assigned at birth).

It’s disingenuous to say that what happened in the Nazi era didn’t happen to trans people, when it is recognised that trans people were sent to concentration camps.

Again, no one should be turning the Holocaust into some kind of competition between groups affected. I think that’s why organisations NY’s Jewish Heritage Museum have actually been supportive of research in this area.

Not true sadly - the suicide rate following surgical interventions is very high. Presumably because they realise that the promised land remains unobtainable. Pre-surgical interventions suicide rate is the same as for other men with the same comorbidities.

Fair enough and I guess possibly understandable when you realise there's no way back once you have done that, but the majority of them don't have the surgery.

Gosh, I’m somewhat relieved it’s not just me that you choose to be pointlessly rude to 😂it was beginning to feel personal.

It’s disingenuous to say that what happened in the Nazi era didn’t happen to trans people, when it is recognised that trans people were sent to concentration camps.

They were targeted for other reasons, mostly because they were gay men or Jewish. Cross dressing was common among the Nazis themselves.

Can you name any Holocaust victims who were murdered for being trans?

Gosh, I’m somewhat relieved it’s not just me that you choose to be pointlessly rude to

You don't do so bad at it yourself, Elle

You know that cross dressing is not the same as being trans, right?!

What's the difference?

Given that Posie Parker / Kelly Jay Keen is regularly hero-worshiped on these boards and she is calling for landlords to refuse housing to trans people and and employers to refuse jobs to trans people, maybe that can give an idea of how the marginalisation of trans people is operating in society, for those people enquiring on this point?

It's not the 'trans community' that's celebrating it. In this instance, it's Edinburgh City Council. Which means taxpayers are tacitly supporting a memorial to a violent, abusive male who stalked a child.

Just had a quick look - an article dating from 2018 saying ONS doesn’t record trans. Of course that is no longer true. It also confirms the good news for trans individuals that they are at lower risk of murder than non-trans people.

Can you point to the present position please?

I think we’ve already debunked the nonsense that this was specifically done to commemorate Tiffany Scott above. Let’s not go back over old ground.

So neither of those things are happening at the moment? So theyare no marginalised? Unlike, say, disabled people who are unable to access a huge proportion of housing and have very low employment rates?

😆 Of course it is happening, don't be so ridiculous as to pretend it isn't. Nobody with an ounce of common sense will fall for it.

Last time I checked, Kellie-Jay Keen wasn't in a position of power.

People who are in positions of power support putting male rapists in women's prisons, letting male athletes compete in women's sport, and women not having access to single sex rape crisis services.

Most of the world's richest corporations turn their websites and logos rainbow flag coloured for a full month every year just to show how much they support trans people. (Because let's be real here, the LGB are just sidekicks.)

Women have been excluded from public life so that trans people can be included, and fired from their jobs because trans people are offended.

Women have been investigated by the police for non-crimes, simply for not agreeing that trans women are women.

But yeah, Posie Parker.

You can’t have missed the arguments over trans and sex questions in the census? Women were so marginalised by the proposed census that they had to raise £100k to go to court (where they won) to ensure statistics would be include women after transactivists influence was on the verge of corrupting all sex data.

So who is included in the death count? Trans people who comfort eat, become obese and die of CHD? Where is the line?

You say there is no reliable dataset, so why should there be a day of rememberance? Should we have one for women with curly hair, because, just theoretically, they might be at higher risk too?

The narrative has always been that trans people are at much higher risk of being murdered, and that the day is commemorating those victims. Now, that it turns out trans people are saver than everyone else, the narrative shifts.

A helpful thread by Malcolm Clark.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1768427557425234010.html

I haven’t looked at reports on housing, but it is known that trans people have much higher rates of unemployment, so yes @SkiingonKaraSea i would say it is happening at the moment. Here’s some research on how trans people are marginalised in London (including in relation to employment):
https://trustforlondon.org.uk/news/census-2021-deep-dive-gender-identity-and-deprivation-in-london/#:~:text=Transgender%20identity%20and%20deprivation,with%20higher%20levels%20of%20deprivation.&text=In%20London's%2010%25%20most%20deprived,the%2010%25%20least%20deprived%20neighbourhoods.

And here’s some McKinsey research on the position in the US vis employment:

https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/sustainable-inclusive-growth/charts/transgender-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-unemployed

I know FWR is big on perpetuating this false narrative of division within the LGBTQ community, but you will be disappointed to hear that's not what's happening on the ground.

We see the tactics being employed, we're not stupid.

Malcolm Clark’s always one of the first people I’d look to for good unbiased commentary 🙄

Show the evidence that what he wrote on this thread is incorrect then.

Edinburgh City Council's Policy and Sustainability Committee reports:

'The Council joined Stonewall’s Diversity Champions programme in May 2023.'

'Education colleagues are working with LGBT Youth Scotland on how the Council can support young people ahead of Pride 2024'

And what, the Real Life Daily Prophet is good old unbiased fun?