Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders

[ResisterOfTwaddleRex]

He says "genders" but that has to mean "sex". Day one executive orders, apparently:

x.com/chooocole/status/1870920265330528324?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

It's a strong message. As was Biden's EO about the meaning of sex in Title IX.
We can cross our fingers that the act to protect women's sports gets through the Senate.

@Snowypeaks

It's a strong message. As was Biden's EO about the meaning of sex in Title IX.
We can cross our fingers that the act to protect women's sports gets through the Senate.

Sure.

Absolutely. And Trump has it nailed in that respect.

He won't miss a second's opportunity to capitalise on their absurd utterings.

Sorry, I missed a whole page of posts, so my post didn't run on from anything!

You probably know MN better than I do, I mostly only post here on FWR, just occasionally on other parts, so maybe the rest of it is full of pile ons, I'll take your word for it. Apart from the occasional flare-up, most of the posters here are not rude or dismissive, and engage in good faith unless they think a poster is just a stirrer or is taking the piss.

But you go on to say that
'GC posters particularly like an essay post with loads of studies' and 'point out research'
like that's a bad thing?

How else can you get the facts to form opinions, whether about transgender rights or climate change or the future of the rail network or whatever, other than from the most reliable sources of provable facts that you can find? Is there a better way?

I prefer to base my opinions on provable facts. It looks like most of the posters on FWR also like sticking to provable facts, and they also like sharing links to where they found those facts. The links are often to articles written by people who are clearly much smarter that me, and I have absolutely no problem with that - there are plenty of people in the world much smarter than me -
fortunately

But yes, if somebody doesn't like that kind of fact-sharing and fact-checking, this mightn't be the ideal forum for them.

I'm not happy with who's saying it but I'm happy it's being said.

I thought Mumsnet was both normal and middle class leaning in your opinion?

You're the one holding up your "middle class postgraduate professional" mates as some kind of cultural barometer of what the country thinks 🙄

The impression I have from my DC (at university) is that GC views = social death in their age group/at university. They know men can’t become women, but they’re not about to discuss that anytime soon.

You don’t think fear might be a factor in the views your early 30s friends are prepared to espouse publicly? Or even to themselves? They’re not yet at the sharp end of being a woman (child raising, career damage from same, wife work, mental load, menopause), but they are at the sharp end of peer disapproval. Why risk offending against accepted opinion when you don’t yet experience the importance of the protections women have carved out for themselves?

I’m respectful and friendly to the TW I know at work. Why wouldn’t I be? But the fact that I call X by a woman’s name at their request does not stop me recognising male bodied people do not belong in women’s sports/jails/single sex refuges. Or indeed being privately concerned for X who is quite young about the harm they are doing to their body. It’s possible to behave respectfully to trans people and still see the need to protect women’s rights.

eresh I don’t speak much on here anymore cos people are so erm so much more educated than me. But I kinda feel now I can.

Please do ❤️ university education doesn't guarantee they have any clue about the world.

I'm sure these 'middle class postgraduate professionals' will be thrilled in a few years when Isla Bryson has served his sentence for rape and they can look forward to their daughters, their mums or, possibly, themselves sharing changing rooms, hospital wards, and showers with him.

I think Mumsnet, a site with millions of unique page views weekly, has more "normal people" than your cosy little clique, yes.

What rights do other people have that transgender people don't have?

But just for the avoidance of all doubt, this is what people actually think outside your bubble:

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/SexMattersGenderr241219ZMwbM2T.pdf

believe that entire groups of people should lose their rights

Men don't have a "right" to use female spaces. It's not just about safety, it's about basic decency and respect for women and girls.

My entire life is a "cosy little clique"?

Well clearly, if they have markedly different views to the majority of the population on this issue, it does suggest you exist in something of an echo chamber, yes.

Which forums? Link us to them please.

Yes, that post you came in with was soooo reasonable and polite, of course, @LadyGreyson - and then you whinge about the response it received.

Don't waste your time trying to goad us. Instead, read the survey that Eresh linked. Then maybe get back to us tomorrow with some reasoned arguments

None of you are making yourselves look good.

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Don't waste your time trying to goad us. Instead, read the survey that Eresh linked. Then maybe get back to us tomorrow with some reasoned arguments

It probably counts as one of those awful posts with data that she doesn't like.