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Another legal case - Family sues NHS for prescribing child cross sex hormones

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TheRozzers · 22/12/2024 09:14

Looks like an important case.

PSHE Brighton nails the issue in this quote:

“A <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/ioSTS/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/01/autistic-trans-teenager-must-not-be-prescribed-hormones/" rel="nofollow" target="blank">pipeline of vulnerable, traumatised, often autisticc and same-sex attracted children in Brighton and Hove being fast tracked for irreversible sex-change treatment”.

archive.ph/2024.12.22-072840/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/22/nhs-faces-high-court-legal-fight-over-cross-sex-hormones/

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nauticant · 22/12/2024 09:39

A tidier link: archive.ph/ioSTS

TheRozzers · 22/12/2024 09:53

Thanks Nauticant. Sunday morning link fail.

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StealthSpinach · 22/12/2024 10:05

Dr Sam Hall, who prescribed the blockers and cross-sex drugs is a “trans gp” and tra.

Who would have thought it?

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2024 10:11

Doctor should be struck off. Is a JR the best option? Seems criminal to me.

Justme56 · 22/12/2024 10:12

https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2024/03/27/brighton-gp-is-using-loophole-to-prescribe-hormones-to-underage-kids-book-claims/

Another story from April. I think there is a thread about this around that time.

Thingybob · 22/12/2024 10:18

It's good to see WellBN in Brighton coming under the spotlight.

They openly state on their website that they will take over the prescription of PB for children who had previously been given prescriptions from the overseas provider GenderGP. They also don't require any diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria for cross sex hormones that they prescribe to children from the age of 16. Apparently they operate the 'informed consent' model of care which means they will prescribe to anyone that asks.

They don't even. limit their prescribing to registered patients at the Brighton practise where they have 1800 trans patients, they also operate an outreach service to supply even more people with cross sex hormones.

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2024 10:20

'As providers of gender affirming primary care, this is our response to the emergency action that criminalized the prescribing of Gonadotrophin Releasing Hormone analogues (GNRHa) to young transgender people below the age of 18 in certain circumstances.

We believe this is targeted discrimination towards transgender youth, as the same medications can and continue to be prescribed for young people who are not transgender.

We also believe in respect for bodily autonomy and the reproductive rights of all young people, and support an informed consent model of care .

The emergency legislation allows for an NHS provider to overtake a private prescription for this medication provided this was initiated prior to 3rd June 2024. This is something we have and will continue to do, since we believe that not all private providers are offering adequate care and monitoring to their patients, and some may no longer be able to provide ongoing prescriptions.'

Oh, okay, they state they will exploit this loophole. Hmm.

Totallyexhaustedandperplexed · 22/12/2024 10:21

I had a little internet search, and I do find it odd that this Dr has made being trans their entire identity and personality. It feels like everything they write is that they are a 'Trans GP/ Trans doctor' not that they are a doctor who happens to be trans IFGWIM...
I would be interested to see the figures of how many people this doctor has denied cross-sex hormones and blockers to

BonfireLady · 22/12/2024 10:38

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2024 10:11

Doctor should be struck off. Is a JR the best option? Seems criminal to me.

This is great article (thank you for sharing, OP) which covers the issues brilliantly.

I'm no legal expert but I think JR stands the best chance of success here. It's not (yet..) deemed criminal to give cross sex hormones to 16 year olds but we're starting to see a shift towards sanity and possibly it'll ultimately end up being criminal just like it presumably would be now to prescribe PBs for gender dysphoria. (I'm not sure if that's up to 16 or 18 though??)

The court case last week where the Mum of "child Q" won is another example of what's happening WRT cross sex hormones and children. That and the Cass Report point to a clear process that needs to be followed where anyone with parental responsibility needs to be consulted before a 16-18 year old can be prescribed this life-impacting, unevidenced medication.

Obviously it doesn't directly help anyone past the age of 18 yet but it's a big step in that direction. It's a shot across the bow for any doctors who are thinking of this pathway for their young patients.

Enterthewolves · 22/12/2024 10:49

This GP and surgery is well known locally (including regionally) and not only prescribes for ‘trans’ children and adults but is also known for prescribing for (undiagnosed) ADHD.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 22/12/2024 10:52

I watched a video clip featuring this particular GP Sam in which Sam was interviewed and shown with Sam’s family including new wife. I was very struck by how self absorbed Sam is, how much Sam’s conversation with family focuses on Sam’s “trans”-ness, how it seems to dominate family life. In one particular scene on Brighton beach Sam talks at length AT a teenage daughter about being “trans”. Sam was using her for validation and reassurance and to offload Sam’s deepest thoughts about Sam.

This is a selfish individual who doesn’t recognise that children don’t need to hear their parents innermost reflections and who doesn’t understand basic parent-child boundaries so it’s no surprise that Sam has prescribed PBs to a teenager.

Sam only cares about having Sam’s own choices validated.

FranticFrankie · 22/12/2024 10:57

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 22/12/2024 10:52

I watched a video clip featuring this particular GP Sam in which Sam was interviewed and shown with Sam’s family including new wife. I was very struck by how self absorbed Sam is, how much Sam’s conversation with family focuses on Sam’s “trans”-ness, how it seems to dominate family life. In one particular scene on Brighton beach Sam talks at length AT a teenage daughter about being “trans”. Sam was using her for validation and reassurance and to offload Sam’s deepest thoughts about Sam.

This is a selfish individual who doesn’t recognise that children don’t need to hear their parents innermost reflections and who doesn’t understand basic parent-child boundaries so it’s no surprise that Sam has prescribed PBs to a teenager.

Sam only cares about having Sam’s own choices validated.

This 💯%

Crouton19 · 22/12/2024 10:58

The GP who prescribed is a transman. Is it good practice for any doctor to specialise in an area which has personal

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/12/2024 10:59

This thread showcases the problems with so many self interested adults openly targeting children to gaslight them. There's a reason trans individuals boast on here of "working" with children. Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, GIRES etc spend so much time trying to get into schools & writing policies for them. It's not just the grift - it's an opportunity to exert political / queer theory influence on children and the organisations that host them. If you can coerce the adults who work with children into pushing the wrong body narrative, then coercing children's an open goal.

It's a complete safeguarding failure on society's part.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 22/12/2024 11:04

Couldn’t agree more @MrsOvertonsWindow Safeguarding failure

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 22/12/2024 11:08

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2024 10:11

Doctor should be struck off. Is a JR the best option? Seems criminal to me.

Is JR a judicial review?

BonfireLady · 22/12/2024 11:09

If you can coerce the adults who work with children into pushing the wrong body narrative, then coercing children's an open goal.

This.

It feels like I've got a front row seat watching how this could happen IRL at the moment. IME it feels like any school which hasn't recognised, and isn't actively addressing, this fundamental issue is at the epicentre of a problem that has tendrils in many more places.

Schools are also currently perfectly placed to attempt to absolve themselves of accountability because there is no clear direction from the government/DfE/LAs.

However, accountability sits somewhere. Academies and independent schools have autonomy over their own policies, so they might find it more difficult to shift blame for their lack of safeguarding on this.

BigFrau · 22/12/2024 11:10

Agree @MrsOvertonsWindow
Schools trust these organisations and assume they've properly vetted the individuals who are going into schools. Wrong. Do parents really know who these people are talking to their children in these settings? Massive safeguarding loophole.

FlowchartRequired · 22/12/2024 11:22

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 22/12/2024 11:08

Is JR a judicial review?

Yes.

I also agree that one is needed.

BonfireLady · 22/12/2024 11:23

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 22/12/2024 11:08

Is JR a judicial review?

Yep.

ANewCreation · 22/12/2024 12:13

So Dr Sam Hall has been an obstetric anaesthetist and has had 3 babies by c-section but for the sake of trans validation (and in the face of parental opposition) is prepared to sterilise or, at the very least, compromise the future fertility and sexual health of children, some of whom will never even have held hands or had a first kiss.

She sounds like a monster...

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/12/2024 13:01

BonfireLady · 22/12/2024 11:09

If you can coerce the adults who work with children into pushing the wrong body narrative, then coercing children's an open goal.

This.

It feels like I've got a front row seat watching how this could happen IRL at the moment. IME it feels like any school which hasn't recognised, and isn't actively addressing, this fundamental issue is at the epicentre of a problem that has tendrils in many more places.

Schools are also currently perfectly placed to attempt to absolve themselves of accountability because there is no clear direction from the government/DfE/LAs.

However, accountability sits somewhere. Academies and independent schools have autonomy over their own policies, so they might find it more difficult to shift blame for their lack of safeguarding on this.

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It strikes me that the government keeps passing the responsibility for decision making and rule making onto individual schools, hospital trusts and other organisations......who then respond by saying that there is no clear guidance coming from the government. As a result nobody is taking any responsibility, and so it continues.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/12/2024 13:07

ANewCreation · 22/12/2024 12:13

So Dr Sam Hall has been an obstetric anaesthetist and has had 3 babies by c-section but for the sake of trans validation (and in the face of parental opposition) is prepared to sterilise or, at the very least, compromise the future fertility and sexual health of children, some of whom will never even have held hands or had a first kiss.

She sounds like a monster...

Yes. Medics self interested like this should be nowhere near children and young people. The NHS must get a grip on their employees who use the workplace to push their own niche interests. It's a failure from the very top.
See also the senior police officers promoting the rights of men who claim to be women to intimately search women, the self interested judges and lawyers who've been allowed to write guidelines for the courts. The self invested educators who write toxic guidelines removing the rights to privacy and safety from girls.
See also the CPS, the ONS, the civil service, local government and countless other institutions where nobody has had the integrity or courage to say no to these dangerous people.

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