Scrap non-crime hate incidents, says police chief

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The recording of non-crime hate incidents should be scrapped in their current form, a police chief has said.

Donna Jones, Hampshire’s police and crime commissioner, said the practice should be subject to a “lock, stock and barrel” review.

The former chairman of the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners (APCC) said police should not be responding to any incident that was not a crime. “It’s as simple as that,” she said.

Article in the Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/17/scrap-non-crime-hate-incidents-says-police-chief/

Can be read in full here https://archive.is/gSLBg

Is that a graph of the police forces with the most time on their hands doing fuck all? Or is it a graph of the police forces with the most batshit leadership?

Can anyone enlighten me?

To be fair, to graph does just show the increase in a year. Going from 1 to 2 would be a much bigger increase than going from 100 to 101. So I think we need actual figures in order to determine full batshittery....

I think it would also be good to know how many women’s names are being recorded as perpetrators of these non-crimes (can you even perpetrate something that isn’t a crime?) because if the government is now saying that the bar should be whether there’s a risk of someone going on to carry out an actual crime and biological women have a very low crime rate, then hardly any women’s names should be being taken. And I suspect that’s not the case…

Given that the police no longer respond to many actual crimes, such as shoplifting, this should be an obvious course.

Quite.

What sort of things are currently being recorded as non crime hate incidents?

Why are the police recording non crimes?

What is the difference between a hate incident and a hate crime?

A hate crime is a normal crime that has certain protected characteristics as an aggravating factor. It can't be a hate crime unless it's something that is already an actual crime such as assault or murder. Hate incidents are when women say something that men don't like but can't be classed as a crime

If it's increase in a year then it probably correlates to how many batshit trans activists they have living in each county.

Edit: Actually I have just realised the point you were making. If that's correct then there may be an inverse correlation (smaller number to start with = greatest potential for increase).

You could possibly track the movements of some of the looniest around the country by the corresponding sudden increase in NCHIs. Like when American army bases were revealed by the personnel's Google watches.

I have to admit I posted as much because this has now been going on for a year or more. I cant even remember how it first started.

But what is sad, is that all the instance of women bein pursued by local police in very harsh ways, and dragging out the "investigation" the main stream media ie the Telegraph only started reporting on when one of their own was caught up in it.

I cant find the threads about the women who have been put through the process is the punishment threads, but here are few others about how this law not only doesn'tmake sense, but too often is used by men to impinge on women's free speech.

• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4971028-police-scotland
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4971990-police-scotland-consider-stopping-recording-non-crime-hate-incidents
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5035721-an-msp-murdo-fraser-threatening-legal-action-against-police-scotland-after-his-twitterx-post-was-logged-as-a-hate-incident
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5037469-rachel-mclean-has-nchi-deleted-from-her-record
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5045647-deluge-of-hate-crime-complaints-overwhelming-scottish-police
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5046011-a-womans-guide-to-the-hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-act-2021-from-mbm
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5075396-scottish-lgbt-activists-consulted-by-police-about-hate-crime-laws-but-womens-groups-ignored
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5138255-misgendering-wont-be-a-hate-crime
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5152741-the-return-of-recording-non-crime-and-lawful-but-harmful-legislation
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5162643-police-are-recording-trivial-incidents-as-hate-crimes-watchdog-finds
• https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5199905-most-frontline-cops-no-essential-dv-training-but-15000-have-had-hate-crime-training-scotland

Good. It is absolutely insane that the Police are sent out to threaten middle aged women who aren't sufficiently nice. Then courts say it's fine for TRAs to threaten violence because that's just good humour. Gah.

There's some actual figures in this article, eg:

The FOI data from 29 of the 43 police forces in England showed that <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/JcHPv/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/26/record-nchi-even-if-victim-does-not-think-it-is-one/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">8,118 NCHIs had been recorded by mid-November, suggesting the figure is likely to reach 9,089 by the end of 2024. This figure is 2.6 per cent lower than 2023, when 9,335 were recorded. They peaked at more than 12,000 in 2021.

Sixteen police forces increased their NCHIs this year, including Lincolnshire (95 per cent), Cleveland (94 per cent), Gloucestershire (67 per cent), Warwickshire (43 per cent) and South Wales (36 per cent).

About 58 per cent of NCHIs are for <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/JcHPv/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/29/welsh-english-race-rows-investigated-non-crime-hate-police/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">racial crimes, with five per cent for transgender hate incidents, nine per cent religious and 14 per cent homophobic, the Telegraph analysis shows.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/23/non-crime-hate-incidents-surge-half-of-police-forces/

Full article also at https://archive.is/JcHPv

Shame they didn't reproduce all figures to get some idea of increases in terms of numbers, and whether it is the same acoss forces, or just a few.

(sorry for funny links that dont work - its from how the article has been saved to archive version)

I think the 2 messed up links are

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/26/record-nchi-even-if-victim-does-not-think-it-is-one/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/29/welsh-english-race-rows-investigated-non-crime-hate-police/

Non crime hate incidents are the perfect example of making up an entirely new thing, dedicating lots of new phone lines and taking existing staff away from other duties to work on said phone lines, then advertising the new thing in msm and social media. Lo and behold, there is an increase in the incidence of the made up new thing.

I think the data on NCHIs should also show which protected characteristic classified the incident as a hate incident.

If nearly all of them are on the basis of transgender identity then that would tell us something useful.

Any incident that anyone perceives as racist , disableist , homophobic , transphobic , anti semitic , islamophobic , or indeed anti any religious belief come to that including Christianity , would be included in those incidents . The college of policing criteria was that if anyone perceived any incident to be any of thise things , then it was , and as such had to be recorded , regardless of how absurd it may be , because if it wasn’t recorded , then it would count as a failure under National Crime Recording Standards, and as such , police forces could actually lose a chunk of their budgets.

Any crime that’s left to the “victim’s” perception of events when deciding whether it actually occurred or not is a licence for arseholes to behave like arseholes.
What utter nonsense.

Years ago we, along with all the other residents in our building, had trouble with one set of neighbours. Various complaints were made to the police about these neighbours, and one time when the police came round to talk to us about it, they said, "He says you're racist." (The neighbour was Asian). I ignored this, as it was a total invention, and the policeman said, "There's something in it then?" I wonder if now, with an allegation by my neighbour and a false perception by the police, it would get put down as a NHCI without needing any evidence whatsoever...

The info is in the Telegraph article I linked to above (with the funny links)

About 58 per cent of NCHIs are for racial crimes, with five per cent for transgender hate incidents, nine per cent religious and 14 per cent homophobic, the Telegraph analysis shows.

police should not be responding to any incident that was not a crime. “It’s as simple as that,” she said.

It really is.

This article is an overview of some of the stuff recorded as NCHI

https://archive.ph/OQtzs

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-log-parking-and-snapchat-rows-as-hate-incidents-zx5ph93b2

Obviously it's cherry picked to make an interesting and provocative piece. It does seem they're being used just to placate complainants, I've called them policebos before. What an utter waste of time.

Obviously it's cherry picked to make an interesting and provocative piece. It does seem they're being used just to placate complainants, I've called them policebos before. What an utter waste of time.

Cant make out if in these examples the police acted on them, or whether these are just example of how some (many?) people just are exploiting the whole vague concept.