Female school shooter?

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Female school shooter. The alleged attacker has been named. Natalie Rupnow also goes by the name Samantha.

Madison’s chief of police was asked about comments online that suggest the shooter may have been trans.

“I don’t know whether Natalie was transgender or not,” Barnes said at a news conference tonight.

“I don’t think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify,” he said. “And I wish people would kind of leave their own personal biases out of this.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna184404

It seems unlikely that a trans student would attend a fundamentalist Christian school.

There's no evidence here. Female shooters are rare but not unheard of. See the San Diego case that was the basis for the Boomtown Rats' I Don't Like Mondays.

It’s been confirmed now that the shooter is female but it’s interesting what the police officer says about it not mattering how the shooter identifies. Of course it matters if people cannot trust the reports.

It matters because such crimes committed by females are rare (which is one reason why a pp can remember the San Diego event, but not the hundreds committed since).
The BBC reported this morning that only 3% of school shootings are committed by females. If this perpetrator is transgender, and the crime is recorded as being committed by a female, the statistics will not be correct.
Not our crimes.

I was curious about this issue too as I noticed they were known by different women’s names which made me wonder as that’s quite common with transwomen. I also found the statement a bit odd. It does matter as we don’t want male crimes recorded as female ones.

"If this perpetrator is transgender..."

No, she isn't. It appears it was a case of feeling rejected by her parents and school. She is said to have written prior to the shooting about her father:

"He will never love me like he loved his ex or her kids or even alcohol but that doesn't matter, it doesn't matter anymore because nobody heard me out and just made fun of me my entire life and I'm sick of it."

She also wrote about how she was picked on at school.

No, she isn't. It appears it was a case of feeling rejected by her parents and school.

This is very sad. There appear to be significant mental health issues in play - as there will be in most if not all such heinous crimes.

Not quite.

A lot of the US parents who push trans ideology are Christian fundamentalists who like to "trans the gay away". People who are so involved with one religion and ideology can easily buy into another religion/ideology.

This may have no bearing over this case, but it's a point worth remembering.

It would appear that she isn't transgender, but what the majority of people offended by this question don't understand is that in today's world no one trusts the media when they say that a woman has committed a crime because we are too used to the media lying to us about men who have self-identified as women committing crimes.

It is the boy who cried wolf.

The media need to be honest and report people's real sex and then we can trust media reporting again and truly believe the media when a real woman has committed a crime.

Biological women as well as men can consider themselves be transgender.

In this case the perpetrator was female.

She's a Biological Female

You can't blame the OP for questioning. The fact the authorities refused to say which sex the perpetrator was when the situation was ongoing is very concerning. This (lack of) information would be relayed to those who were in the vicinity and they would need to know.

Plus I read an article last night where the police was quoted as refusing to state the sex but used him/himself pronouns when talking about the shooter. Think it was The Independent but can't verify it as all the papers have been updated since then but it was while the situation was ongoing and they weren't sure how many were injured or dead. Why use male pronouns instead of they/them if they wanted to hide the sex?

It was a very confusing situation all round, and it really didn't need to be.

I really did question if this person was a real female. It is so unusual for a crime to be committed by a female and you can no longer trust the media.

I just read the news and was thinking the same. Another unusual crime for a woman and the perpetrator has 2 names... It will be interesting to see how it pans out and how they will report it.

In the current climate I have zero idea how anyone can be categorically sure of this person's sex.

That's what 'gender' has done.

I also wondered if they might be a female taking T.

There was recently a school shooting where this was the case.

The correct sex does matter.

There's pictures from her father's Facebook of her as a young girl and definitely female.

The recent cover photo is of her rifle shooting at targets enjoying her new hobby.

I should have said “a trans identifying male”.

But this demonstrates again how tiresomely confusing this perversion of normal language is.

I'm so tired of hearing about children being shot in America.

I'm so tired of the media obfuscating the truth and the police recording crimes incorrectly.

The world makes me weary. I shouldn't have had children.

It would appear that the shooter is a biological female, does not identify as transgender (not on artificial hormones etc).

But with the police chief refusing to confirm or deny a transgender identity makes these matters worse and allows for misinformation.

Much like the Southport attacks the authorities lack of information allows misinformation to spread.

No doubt BBC Verify will now find the "far-right" social media accounts who questioned whether the shooter was female or not, whilst never bothering to verify the original issue.

The truth is important, and the authority's reluctance to state the truth creates a worse situation.

There was recently a school shooting where this was the case.

I've been talking about this on another thread. There have been three recent mass shootings, two in schools, where a perpetrator was biologically female with a trans identity.

I don’t think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify,” he said. “And I wish people would kind of leave their own personal biases out of this

Goodness, its not about this is it? Its about the fact that people can no longer trust what the police or papers tell them about the sex of who committed a crime.

And actually, as trans identified young people do have terrible MH, it actually is relevant to gather data and research on this so that a child or young person expressing a trans identity is seen as a potential safeguarding and welfare concern, rather than a signal to point them to the nearest ' affirming trans 'healthcare' facility.'

Bloody hell. Were they on testosterone?

Im not sure of the details of each one to that extent.

If anyone wants to look them up:

Audrey Hale - Nashville school shooting 2023
Alec McKinney - Denver Colorado school shooting 2019 (with an accomplice)
Snochia Moseley, Aberdeen, Maryland 2018