MPs are being briefed that the GRA needs to be reformed to align with other European countries

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Reforming the Gender Recognition Act 2004 – A Briefing Note for MPs

The purpose of this briefing paper is to outline the current legislation in Western European countries regarding the rights of trans and gender nonconforming people to change their gender markers on official government documentation legally.

It will briefly outline the current and proposed legislation for each of the Western European countries and identify the year that the legislation came in/or is coming into effect.

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In conclusion, it can be seen that the United Kingdom has fallen behind the rest of Europe in terms of having gender recognition laws that are fit for purpose in the 21st Century. In addition, the United Kingdom has been surrounded by countries with improved rights for several years, and in many cases, it has far exceeded what we currently have in the statute books.

The aggressive approach we have seen from the previous government has only made matters worse for trans people, a demographic that makes up approximately 0.5% of the population. A targeting that was never justifiable when compared to how our European neighbours treat the legal and social standing of trans people in their countries.

A change of direction and governmental attitude towards trans people, bringing us more in line with the rest of Europe, is both necessary and long overdue.

TransLucent.Org.UK December 2024.

https://translucent.org.uk/reforming-the-gender-recognition-act-2004-a-briefing-note-for-mps/

Are any gender critical groups similarly briefing MPs?

you have to realise that you can't ever limit "ID choice" in any area where such legislation exists, so you can't think you're bringing it in for a limited group. It has to be blocked outright.

Spot on. Nobody's belief about themselves should ever become factual on ID.

It's mad that authorities can recognise that changing DOB on ID is wrong. Lots of institutions have really cracked down on it in recent times. Anyone remember fake UCAS cards years ago, where anyone could declare their own DOB and get a reasonably authentic looking card? I'm guessing most places wouldn't accept anything but driving licence or similar now. Obviously anyone getting fake ID for their age doesn't have "dysphoria". It's about finding a way to gain access to somewhere you shouldn't be or something you shouldn't have.

Utterly inexplicably, the Passport Authority and DVLA themselves are totally OK with someone declaring their own sex on this ID.

There's no way of knowing who truly believes that they are the opposite sex (or that they have a gendered soul that matches with the opposite sex), who just wishes they were and who just wants to gain access to somewhere they shouldn't be or something they shouldn't have.

Utterly inexplicably, the Passport Authority and DVLA themselves are totally OK with someone declaring their own sex on this ID.

Organisations losing track of what they're supposed to be doing. ID documents exist for the benefit of other people as much as the holder.

An ID document that just says whatever the holder wants it to say is useless for anyone else, and so in turn becomes useless for the holder. Indeed, for all holders, not just the ones who wanted to put the fake info on.

It's also not relevant whether they genuinely believe they are the opposite sex or not. Either way, they're not, and they shouldn't be in spaces reserved for the opposite sex.

My right to privacy and dignity shouldn't be dependent on what someone else believes about themselves.

Yep.

Amended DOBs in night clubs don't impact anyone else (unless the place gets shut down for underage drinking) but anyone using their ID to access services, spaces and sports for the opposite sex impacts everyone else in there in one or more ways. As I've learned from the brilliant posters on this board, for some people, that one way could simply be due to their presence, even if they haven't said or done anything when there e.g. women who have experienced sexual assault by men who expect a women's space to only have women in it.

Absolutely. People who say, "inappropriate behaviour should be dealt with" (apart from the fact that it never is dealt with) fail to recognise that sometimes the person's presence IS inappropriate behaviour. But it's difficult to make this point when the inappropriate behaviour is perfectly legal/within the rules of the establishment.

Indeed they are. But they won't be influenced by that silly 'briefing' because they're already signed up and unlikely to change their position in the foreseeable future.

It would appear that the rest of Europe is behind the UK in affirming women's rights, and needs to catch up, rather than the other way round.
No-one objects to transpeople have human rights, like everyone else, but changing legal documents so that they are no longer accurate as to sex is historical vandalism, and opening women's spaces to men who think they are women is misogynistic. The rest of the continent needs to look at how it is writing women out of the public sphere.

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Apart from anything else, even with qualified majority voting, any gender recognition proposals would not get the necessary votes because most countries in central and eastern Europe would be against them.

According to this EU voting calculator, central and eastern European countries could still be outvoted via a straightforward qualified majority vote (EU27);

Number of voting countries: 27, voting results: yes: 15 (55.56% of countries, 75.63% of population), no: 12, abstain: 0 Voting result approved

https://euvote.eu/

the EU does not have any mandate or position on family life and related social questions. Nor are there any proposals for it to do so

Banning the practice of conversion therapy is listed as an objective here;

https://commission.europa.eu/about/organisation/college-commissioners/hadja-lahbib_en

My right to privacy and dignity shouldn't be dependent on what someone else believes about themselves.

This. It's as simple as that.

In conclusion, it can be seen that the United Kingdom has fallen behind the rest of Europe in terms of having gender recognition laws that are fit for purpose in the 21st Century.

Hmm, do we want male soldiers posing as women, to get extra money, or male firefighters doing so, as they're not fit and strong enough to make the grade? Or women to be imprisoned for mistergendering, as in Germany? Are such laws fit for purpose?

I don't think so, I think they're repressive bullshit and I'm not really surprised that the group of trans zealots here are pushing such shitty propaganda.

It would appear that the rest of Europe is behind the UK in affirming women's rights, and needs to catch up, rather than the other way round

Exactly, that's why I asked if any groups were specifically briefing on why women's rights need to be protected, and one step in the direction would be to clarify that the word sex in the EA means biology.

(And to remind them that work had been started on this by Kemi Badenoch so there probably isn't much work involved in seeing this through!)

Well, if you found that briefing in OP more than a bit reaching above itself, you will like this one even more (not).

What is a Woman – The Gotcha Question:
https://translucent.org.uk/what-is-a-woman-the-gotcha-question/