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Green Party’s “persecution of women and gender critical members must end”.

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Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 28/11/2024 21:44

The Green Party of England and Wales has long been utterly captured by transgenderism. Long-standing, hard-working members have been vilified and in some cases forced out of the party. Many other environmentalists have left in despair at the environment being pushed down the list of priorities.

The Green Women’s Declaration today published an open letter to the party leadership, stating that the persecution of women and GC members must end.

https://greenwomensdeclaration.uk/open-letter-to-the-leadership-of-the-green-party-of-england-and-wales-gpew/

Open Letter to the Leadership of the Green Party of England and Wales (GPEW)   – Green Women's Declaration

https://greenwomensdeclaration.uk/open-letter-to-the-leadership-of-the-green-party-of-england-and-wales-gpew

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Lovelyview · 28/11/2024 21:57

Great letter! I hope it has an effect. The Greens are such a massive basket case I'd don't think I'd ever trust them as a political party even if they did backtrack on this. They are utterly spineless and appear to be in thrall to the most misogynistic, homophobic and unscientific of cults.

Kendodd · 28/11/2024 22:03

I don't know about this but I went to a business event/dinner a few months ago, was sat in tables of about ten. About half my table was made up of local politicians from parties usually associated with hard line TWAW views. I heard them talking about transwomen and so turned to listen and join the conversation, don't know how it came up. All of them, voicing an opinion, were gender critical, well, one person remained silent.

Circumferences · 28/11/2024 22:08

The green party should be lobbying for environmental issues. It's pretty much why they are supposed to exist. Why did pushing gender ideology ever become their sole focus?

aphrodites · 28/11/2024 22:12

I doubt they'll care. I left a couple years ago after being a paid up member for a while when this whole mess first started. The appalling way they handled the Challenor problem is disgraceful and I'll never vote for them again.

Valeriekat · 29/11/2024 10:03

Look at how the Greens in New Zealand behave!

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2024 10:30

'Either the Party has lost control of its own disciplinary system and practices, or it is in control of an immoral and unlawful purge of long-standing environmental and feminist members. Which is it?'

Great letter.

Runor · 29/11/2024 12:38

Gender Identity has a long history of forced teaming and hollowing out other interest groups. The best examples are obviously Stonewall and Pride, but they tried it with Black Lives Matter too, and obviously they’re well-embedded in the Green Part - massively disadvantaging the environmental movement.

Even our local (non-affiliated) climate action group ran a ‘teach-in’ about direct action in support of ‘marginalised communities’. Apparently action to help the community reduce its carbon footprint isn’t quite as important 🙄

CheeseFromTheNorth · 29/11/2024 15:03

Circumferences · 28/11/2024 22:08

The green party should be lobbying for environmental issues. It's pretty much why they are supposed to exist. Why did pushing gender ideology ever become their sole focus?

Apart from Jenny Jones all the people in leadership positions are misfits and cranks. Politics always drive power hungry people and this lot are the ones who couldn't make it in other parties.
Hopping in the trans bandwagon gives them a reason to cancel those who don't swallow their ideology, who I think (like Emma, Shahrar) would give them a run for their money.

Christinapple · 29/11/2024 15:07

The Green Party are supportive of LGBT rights yes including trans people and that isn't going to change. I emailed them earlier this year expressing concerns about their involvement with "Green Party Women" and how their views re LGBT rights (and other topics such as sexwork) were in direct conflict with the views of the main party.

If anyone with gender critical views is looking for a party they could join KJK's gender critical party? You know, the one that got less votes at the election than an independent trans woman candidate.

TWETMIRF · 29/11/2024 15:26

Of course you are in favour of prostitution, it's something that benefits men and harms women. Many women and girls have no choice to be prostitutes, they are trafficked and have no way of escaping. They are raped multiple times a day and beaten by both 'clients' and their enslavers. They won't have any protection against disease and unlikely to be allowed medical care as that is a potential way to escape.

That the greens are all for it is another reason why they should die a death as there is no way to regain any of the credibility and trustworthiness that they decided to throw away.

ArabellaScott · 29/11/2024 15:59

Runor · 29/11/2024 12:38

Gender Identity has a long history of forced teaming and hollowing out other interest groups. The best examples are obviously Stonewall and Pride, but they tried it with Black Lives Matter too, and obviously they’re well-embedded in the Green Part - massively disadvantaging the environmental movement.

Even our local (non-affiliated) climate action group ran a ‘teach-in’ about direct action in support of ‘marginalised communities’. Apparently action to help the community reduce its carbon footprint isn’t quite as important 🙄

Yes.

I would point out that the vast majority of the membership probably aren't even aware of the hostile takeover and infiltration that's gone on.

Votes at conference are swung on a tiny number of votes and participants.

It's certainly looking like the party, being small, and democratic to the point of absurdity, has been successfully broken by gender ideology. Just at the point when it's most needed.

CheeseFromTheNorth · 29/11/2024 16:06

@Christinapple "If anyone with gender critical views is looking for a party they could join KJK's gender critical party? You know, the one that got less votes at the election than an independent trans woman candidate."

The Green Party women are hanging on in there because they truly care about the impact of climate chaos on people, our land and oceans, our animals, our food, energy, and the truly marginalised (thinking here of countries affected by drought, floods, wars - NOT male predators in dresses trying to take away EVERYTHING women have).
Most of the women I've met from the GP have been members for 20, 30, 40 year; they have led radical protests and are eco-warriors.
The ones in leadership roles with interesting hair, well, they've done nothing.

Screamingabdabz · 29/11/2024 16:15

So we are reduced to grovelling. They’ll love that. I would be voting with my feet. Surely there are some old-school Greenham girls that could form a sensible and credible breakaway?

Runor · 29/11/2024 16:46

Christinapple · 29/11/2024 15:07

The Green Party are supportive of LGBT rights yes including trans people and that isn't going to change. I emailed them earlier this year expressing concerns about their involvement with "Green Party Women" and how their views re LGBT rights (and other topics such as sexwork) were in direct conflict with the views of the main party.

If anyone with gender critical views is looking for a party they could join KJK's gender critical party? You know, the one that got less votes at the election than an independent trans woman candidate.

Just a shame that people who are very focussed on LGBT rights (although, I’m not sure there’s much crossover between LGB and T) couldn’t have set up their own party. Then we’d still have a political group who were focussed on the ever-increasing environmental crisis. As I said, the T just seem to latch on to stuff that other people have already set up and hollow it out for their own benefit. It’s pretty shameful behaviour imo, and our communities are poorer because of it

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WandsOut · 29/11/2024 16:47

Christinapple · 29/11/2024 15:07

The Green Party are supportive of LGBT rights yes including trans people and that isn't going to change. I emailed them earlier this year expressing concerns about their involvement with "Green Party Women" and how their views re LGBT rights (and other topics such as sexwork) were in direct conflict with the views of the main party.

If anyone with gender critical views is looking for a party they could join KJK's gender critical party? You know, the one that got less votes at the election than an independent trans woman candidate.

Green Party Women aren't going away either, so good luck with that.
If you are looking for a party that centers men's sexual fetishes, you seem to have found the right place.

WandsOut · 29/11/2024 16:56

@Christinapple do you think that autistic children can be born in the wrong body?

JazzyJelly · 29/11/2024 17:09

I hadn't realised the Greens were pro-prostitution! They really do hate women (actual women, not lying men), don't they. Very disappointing, as climate change is a major concern when I decide who to vote for.

IdylicDay · 29/11/2024 17:19

Christinapple · 29/11/2024 15:07

The Green Party are supportive of LGBT rights yes including trans people and that isn't going to change. I emailed them earlier this year expressing concerns about their involvement with "Green Party Women" and how their views re LGBT rights (and other topics such as sexwork) were in direct conflict with the views of the main party.

If anyone with gender critical views is looking for a party they could join KJK's gender critical party? You know, the one that got less votes at the election than an independent trans woman candidate.

They're just not in favour of womens sex-based rights, and would rather defend male predators.

If the Greens don't start supporting womens sex-based rights and stop defending male predators and colonisers, they will get less and less votes until they cease to exist.

TWETMIRF · 29/11/2024 17:23

Runor · 29/11/2024 16:46

Just a shame that people who are very focussed on LGBT rights (although, I’m not sure there’s much crossover between LGB and T) couldn’t have set up their own party. Then we’d still have a political group who were focussed on the ever-increasing environmental crisis. As I said, the T just seem to latch on to stuff that other people have already set up and hollow it out for their own benefit. It’s pretty shameful behaviour imo, and our communities are poorer because of it

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Latching on like a parasite sucking the life blood out of the host

Christinapple · 29/11/2024 18:45

TWETMIRF · 29/11/2024 15:26

Of course you are in favour of prostitution, it's something that benefits men and harms women. Many women and girls have no choice to be prostitutes, they are trafficked and have no way of escaping. They are raped multiple times a day and beaten by both 'clients' and their enslavers. They won't have any protection against disease and unlikely to be allowed medical care as that is a potential way to escape.

That the greens are all for it is another reason why they should die a death as there is no way to regain any of the credibility and trustworthiness that they decided to throw away.

Was this reply to me?

I'm in favour of what is safest for sexworkers and which offers them the most control and options.

Decriminalisation of sexwork (model supported by the Green Party) is also supported by a lot of local and international human rights orgs, health and anti-HIV/STD orgs, anti-trafficking orgs and orgs made up of women who themselves sell or have sold sexual services. See link, it's a letter against the Nordic Model and why decrim is favoured instead which has evidence and a list of signatures.

https://decrimnow.org.uk/open-letter-on-the-nordic-model/

"They won't have any protection against disease"

As mentioned, health and HIV orgs such as the World Health Org, UNAIDs, STOPAIDs and HIV Scotland amongst others are strongly opposed to the Nordic Model and prefer decrim instead. The Nordic Model disadvantages sexworkers in many ways including the use of condoms being used as evidence which means they are used much less. The Nordic Model also criminalises sexworkers if they work together forcing them to be alone, make clients nervous which can mean the client insists they meant in a more secluded location putting the sexworker at further risk (this has led to murders in France), depending on Nordic Model country sexworkers can also be evicted (landlords aren't legally permitted to rent to sexworkers) or facing scrutiny by social services who determine if they are fit to look after their children (Sweden sees selling sex as a form of self harm).

"They are raped multiple times a day and beaten by both 'clients' and their enslavers."

If you are aware of this happening please report it immediately to law enforcement.

Open Letter opposing the Nordic Model

Decrim Now is leading a coalition of charities and NGOs, trade unions, civil society organisations, academics, politicians, journalists, grassroots activists and more, asking UK MPs to stand up aga…

https://decrimnow.org.uk/open-letter-on-the-nordic-model

pinkpostitnote · 29/11/2024 18:50

There are a lot of people in the gp working hard 'behind the scenes' to redress the balance.

It's just not public knowledge.

pinkpostitnote · 29/11/2024 18:51

And that letter is great - as is the website.

Those who've "come out" and been shunned are putting a lot of effort into alerting all members to what is going on. It's fabulous!

IdaGlossop · 29/11/2024 19:03

In recent years, I have voted Green in council elections as I believe at local level the party can be really effective in promoting environmentally driven policies. Earlier this year, I told the two Geen Party canvassers who rang my door bell that the party's stance on trans issues meant I was very reluctant to vote for them this time around as the Green parliamentary candidate in my constituency had been suspended for stating publicly her belief that biological sex is immutable.

The raison d'etre of a political party is to win votes. How has this party got to the point that an ideology directly affecting less than 1% of the population is more important than the suffering of millions through climate change brought about by human behaviour? It's good to see that things are shifting.

NitroNine · 29/11/2024 19:53

Christinapple · 29/11/2024 15:07

The Green Party are supportive of LGBT rights yes including trans people and that isn't going to change. I emailed them earlier this year expressing concerns about their involvement with "Green Party Women" and how their views re LGBT rights (and other topics such as sexwork) were in direct conflict with the views of the main party.

If anyone with gender critical views is looking for a party they could join KJK's gender critical party? You know, the one that got less votes at the election than an independent trans woman candidate.

@Christinapple
I am genuinely embarrassed that so many grown adults do not understand - or at least, affect not to - that the comparator is % vote share; not the number of votes. As it happens, they both got 0.5% of the vote share.

Bristol Central: 62,735 registered voters; 69% turnout (43,287).
Aberdeen South: 77,328 registered voters; 60% turnout (46,397).
Of the additional 3,110 votes Molly could have won, they got 29: it is impossible to know what the gap would have been had Keen had an additional 3,110 potential votes. Given demographic differences even comparing the vote share is somewhat absurd; but it is the least-worst option.

quixote9 · 29/11/2024 21:32

If the Green Party was still mainly focused on the environment and just cheered the trans stuff as a flag-waving exercise, I might even be able to look past that.But the parasite analogy is a good one. Green Party is now All Trans All The Time and does nothing but flag-waving.@Runor. The timing is interesting, as you say. Right when they might have helped work toward solutions, they make themselves useless. I'm guessing it's completely explained by stupidity, but it would be more dignified if there was at least some malice involved.

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