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Gay icons Bronksi Beat call out LGBAlliance as a "fake gay rights group" and disapprove of them using Smalltown Boy

123 replies

Christinapple · 25/11/2024 20:03

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1860688147459219909

Video on this post.

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Ketzele · 25/11/2024 22:07

Oh, and even then JS wasn't very likeable.

larklane17 · 25/11/2024 22:12

Ketzele · 25/11/2024 22:07

Oh, and even then JS wasn't very likeable.

A Smalltown Boy.

ApocalipstickNow · 25/11/2024 22:22

JS is too busy editing Private Eye and appearing on HIGNFY these days.

larklane17 · 25/11/2024 22:35

You had me for a moment there.

TwistedWonder · 26/11/2024 00:51

I’ll never forgive JS fir the worst cover version all time when he massacred Don’t Leave Me This Way and turned it from a Philly soul masterpiece an into a screeching piece of crappy pop.

ChaChaChooey · 26/11/2024 01:43

TwistedWonder · 26/11/2024 00:51

I’ll never forgive JS fir the worst cover version all time when he massacred Don’t Leave Me This Way and turned it from a Philly soul masterpiece an into a screeching piece of crappy pop.

Yes, both the OG Harold Melvin version and the Thelma Houston version are marvellous!

The Communards not so much.

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Datun · 26/11/2024 01:50

Why is India Willoughby tweeting about it? Straight women should stay in their lane.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/11/2024 01:52

I thought Bronski Beat disbanded in the 80s.Blush

Did I get that wrong?Confused

lonelywater · 26/11/2024 02:01

eighties has-been tries, and fails to stay relevant. cannot wait to hear from K D Lang and Duncan Nourvelle. (one for the teenagers there)

BobbyBiscuits · 26/11/2024 02:02

My mate who's a chronic smack head ex punk sold one of his songs to be used in a Vodafone advert. He laughed when we thought he was a 'sellout'. We were actually totally happy he had a few quid in his pocket from it's resurgence.
Music isn't owned by a sexuality or a community or a movement or whatever. It's owned by who wrote it or their record company and it's just an audible commodity. If the person is lucky. It's hard enough for musicians to make money anyway.

EconomyClassRockstar · 26/11/2024 02:02

JS was, whether you all want to appreciate it or not, a groundbreaking lgbt artist and he's now a gay man is his 60s who has gone above and beyond for the community. It's also his voice on the song so if anyone gets to have a say, he does!

sadmillenial · 26/11/2024 02:23

EconomyClassRockstar · 26/11/2024 02:02

JS was, whether you all want to appreciate it or not, a groundbreaking lgbt artist and he's now a gay man is his 60s who has gone above and beyond for the community. It's also his voice on the song so if anyone gets to have a say, he does!

hard agree with this right here

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/11/2024 02:49

EconomyClassRockstar · 26/11/2024 02:02

JS was, whether you all want to appreciate it or not, a groundbreaking lgbt artist and he's now a gay man is his 60s who has gone above and beyond for the community. It's also his voice on the song so if anyone gets to have a say, he does!

It's a sad fact of life that the Morrisseys and Billy Braggs of our youth turn into the Morrisseys and Billy Braggs of our middle age. Can't speak for Jimmy but I haven't heard him say anything else recently.

Helleofabore · 26/11/2024 06:27

No one has denied that Somerville gets to have an opinion on this.

What people are pointing out is that this entire thread was started to position LGB Alliance as having been in the wrong.

Whereas, if the LGB Alliance bought a commercial use license, fit for purpose, they have don’t nothing wrong. Nothing unethical. Nothing controversial. Nothing to start a thread about to portray them in that light except by a random poster who may or may not have an obsession with spreading misinformation about them.

If LGB Alliance went through appropriate channels they had a contract in place which Jimmy Somerville has now stated he will break. And if that is the case, I am not sure legally that he will be able to and he may be relying on the goodwill of the people who he just maligned.

dunBle · 26/11/2024 06:33

EconomyClassRockstar · 26/11/2024 02:02

JS was, whether you all want to appreciate it or not, a groundbreaking lgbt artist and he's now a gay man is his 60s who has gone above and beyond for the community. It's also his voice on the song so if anyone gets to have a say, he does!

Not if he's not the one who owns the licensing rights he doesn't. I vaguely recall there being a thing in the 80s where Paul McCartney was unhappy with some of the stuff The Beatles back catalogue was licensed for, but there was nothing he could do about it because Michael Jackson had bought the rights to them.

christmascheerisnothere · 26/11/2024 06:36

Datun · 26/11/2024 01:50

Why is India Willoughby tweeting about it? Straight women should stay in their lane.

😂

Appalonia · 26/11/2024 07:20

Gosh well if they're upset about this, what on earth does the LGBT Etc community think of Trump using YMCA? They must have spontaneously combusted!😂

AlisonDonut · 26/11/2024 07:44

If only the gay people kept away from [and legally paid to use] music made by gay people in a film they made about gay people eh? Utter bastards.

And they wonder why 'acceptance' is plummeting.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/11/2024 07:56

Funny how these men purport to represent the "LGB etc " community while centring the demands of straight white men intent on transitioning so many gay / lesbian children.
Lesbophobic and anti safeguarding children to a man.

sashh · 26/11/2024 08:53

It's one person who left the band after a year.

WaitingforStrike · 26/11/2024 09:24

Ketzele · 25/11/2024 22:06

I am a veteran lesbian. I've only met JS once, when I travelled by coach with him to Pride 84, the famous one led by the NUM and LGSM. I was on the board of Stonewall for many years. I support the LGA.

I'm kind of mystified at the concept that anyone 'owns' Bronski Beat. They were a great band but I don't see that Jimmy S's endorsement is any more valuable than yours or mine. Time to accept that there is no homogenous LGBetc community speaking with a united voice.

I'm fascinated to read this - I've watched the film Pride many times and love the scenes at the end, though was never sure how realistic they were. I loved the interplay of workers' rights and gay rights in the film (and such a strong example of women finding voices too).

SinnerBoy · 26/11/2024 09:40

ApocalipstickNow · Yesterday 22:22

JS is too busy editing Private Eye and appearing on HIGNFY these days.

😂

Ketzele · 26/11/2024 11:30

The entire point of this thread is to say Stay in your lane, o heterosexual women of Mumsnet, because The Great OG Gay has spoken. But if we're going to play silly games, JS was predated in gay activism by the founders of LBA, one of whom was a co-founder of the Gay Liberation Front back in the 70s.

Of course JS has earned his spurs and hats off to him. Small-town Boy was brilliant, brave and meant so much to us at the time. But lesbians and gays were not a united voice on all issues, then or now. It's completely valid for them to express their different views, and they should not be shut down or labelled fascist for doing so. LBA only exists because Stonewall made the monumentally stupid mistake of insisting on an ideological monopoly. Those who now insist LBA is far right, heterosexual bigots are making the same mistake.

Demonising the people we disagree with, instead of engaging with their arguments, is getting this country in a hell of a mess.

TalkingintheDark · 26/11/2024 11:36

Datun · 26/11/2024 01:50

Why is India Willoughby tweeting about it? Straight women should stay in their lane.

Grin
Ketzele · 26/11/2024 11:38

WaitingforStrike, they were actually realistic! I'll never forget how excited we were when the miners turned up, not just seeing them there but realising we had turned a massive corner in getting accepted by the mainstream left.

It's hard for people now to remember how despised we were, and how politically risky it was to stand up for gay rights. Pride 84 was an early chink of light, then we had the bad days of Aids and Clause 28 but when the storm clouds cleared we were in a different land. Amazing social change in just a decade.