Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

[Hoardasurass]

The quoted comments from the congresswoman are brilliant

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Also it's young women that hang out in groups in the loos and take selfies, us middle aged women tend not to. Yet it's so often some middle aged bloke aping the behaviour of teen girls in the toilets... strange that.

Indeed.

Was there a vote?
I thought the speaker was going to just inlclude it in the house rules, so no vote needed, and Sara Mcbride has now said he'll go by the rules?

Might be wrong on that though.

This is so important.
No women or girls anywhere in the world campaigned to share spaces with random men when we're undressed or naked. No sportswomen anywhere campaigned for men to take women's awards in sport - or even places in changing rooms .. and all the rest.

These demands - solely from men - elevate predatory values. Values that erode and dismiss women and girls' rights to privacy and safety. Values that dismiss the social contract that recognises societal boundaries in favour of enabling the worst type of predator.

None of this is acceptable and women need to be confident in saying no - including to those women who elevate men's demands over the rights of women and girls.

I think you must be correct. I doubt it would have been adopted so quickly with a vote.

As requested here’s a threadreader version of the thread 👍:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1859276515508199830.html

I’ll try to remember to post threadreader versions in the future, thanks for the suggestion Snowy

Right at the end, there,

"Please don't stare at them."

Better to shut up and put up, obviously.

'When a man says, "No", it's the end of a discussion. When a woman says, "No", its the beginning of a negotiation.'

Gavin de Becker.

@PinkChesnut what do you think about the responses that McBride is getting from the TRAs who are angry about him not fighting harder for male access to women's single sex spaces as seen in the thread below?

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1859497529060229474

I'm not providing screenshot because I'd get banned (please remember that all of the posts in the images were posted by tras to McBride)

Please explain this harm that your alluding to.
Oh "cis" is an offensive term btw

I'm prepared to say that, for whatever reason, McBride seems to being realistic. He's been voted in to do his job, not indulge his hobby. Perhaps unlike many Democrats he's seen the writing on the wall and wants to serve more than one term. He probably doesn't want to lose in the next election cycle to an alternative Democratic candidate who's less wedded to identity politics or even, however unlikely, turn his district Republican.

Thanks so much, Utopia

Well Well Well ladies it would seem that Nancy isn't finished with this yet, she's going after it all she's now sponsoring a bill to ban men from all female single sex spaces in federal buildings and she's lining up prisons too 😀🥳

Nancy Mace fires back at AOC and trans bathroom 'bullies' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14114809/nancy-mace-bathroom-Trans-extremists.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Thanks for the link to her article@Hoardasurass

I had no idea who Nancy Mace was until I saw her as a guest on Bill Maher’s show a few months ago; I thought she was intelligent and pretty straightforward. She didn’t obsfucate and she said what she really thought rather than just sticking to Party lines. Maher tends to get interesting politicians, from both sides of the divide, who aren’t ideologues on as guests. I’m sure he’ll invite her on again, in light of current events, and it will be interesting to listen to the discussion because Maher has also changed his mind on this issue and has upbraided the Democrats for their adherence to gender ideology and other forms of identity politics.

She has been quietly waiting for her moment and now she is on a roll, she has been listening and watching and honing her arguments.

It's good to see someone in the USA with the power to do something, actually doing something, at long last.

The issue about the "checks" (as thrilling as it might be for some people) only comes up because official documents become worthless with regard to the topic.
In case a misunderstanding happens because there is a butch looking woman or a long-haired guy with make-up and dress in the toilets for their own sex, security would just need to ask for a passport or identity card, which should clarify the matter.

However, not all countries issue identity cards and some places prefer the driver's license as document, which probably does not show sex.
Then you add something like a GRC into the mix, which is equally worthless as there is now self ID in some countries, and combine it with the fact that in the UK you cannot ask for the GRC, either, you have created a system that does not have any checks or limits and is unenforcable.

The other aspect is that people usually would not call security for a butch looking woman in the woman's toilets and a dress-wearing man in the men's toilets because they trusted the system that these people are in the correct place and just look different from what they are used to or what the societal expectations are.

This is also in connection to the reports for example about that bald lady who was in fact in the correct place but people were (unfortunately) hostile. It isn't that "transphobia hurts everyone", it is that the behaviour and transgression of some activists sowed so much mistrust that everyone is on high alert all the time.

The fact that someone who seems "different" now could be anyone leads to the discussion about how to check access, when before it was a self-regulating system that was pretty clear and obvious. The argumentations and forceful distribution of a topic created out of thin air and was completely unneccessary; it created a lot of stress for women especially.

It isn't that "transphobia" singles out the gender non-conforming people; I applaud everyone who isn't held back by how a woman or a man "should" dress and which make-up to wear and how long their hair is. I would still expect them to be in the corresponding changing rooms and toilets to their actual sex.

I’m loving the movement to reclaim our rights 👏😄and the fact it’s being led by a WOMAN.
Men, however they might identify, being shown they no longer have the power to dictate to women to move over to allow them to trample on our rights!

Yeah, he seems to be carefully putting out a reasonable veneer, while the spotlight is on this issue of men in women’s toilets and changing rooms, at any rate. Scratch a little though, and he seems to be just another male who supports men doing what they want/ desire, and doesn’t appear give a sh*te about the impact such men have on women and girls.

I watched the clip where he is arguing with someone over a bill to protect women’s sports. In the argument, he tries to pretend that sports is divided along the lines of some sort of ‘gender identity’ rather than biological sex. Males with this alleged female gender identity being in the female category is therefore supposedly fair. And if you don’t allow males in, then you’re stopping them from taking part in their ‘gender identity’ divisions. From his facial expression, he certainly didn’t appear to care very much when the other guy mentions fairness, safety or opportunities for women.

Talks absolute cobblers, I think. Men should be able to ruin sports (and probably everything else too, I imagine) for women, because some women are taller than other women anyway. Or, may have had private coaching. Just seems to be spouting this anti-scientific, flat earther stuff as gospel. Along with the misogyny that a woman is no more than a man with a gender identity.

All the pretend nicey nicey from another ‘bro’ as they try to trample over women’s rights.

But they pretend it's the same. Here I am just putting on my lippie/ taking a cute selfie in the loos like us girls do...

I’m still sceptical of the TRA claim that all “girls” hang out in the toilets, taking selfies.

I have teen daughters and keep an eye on their Instagram and, yes, teen girls take a lot of selfies. They take them in clubs, restaurants, on the beach, in the gym, in their rooms. They take them with their drinks, their meals, with the flowers they’ve been given. I have yet to see one in the toilets -.if they're at a club they’re trying to look grown up and glam, posing with cocktails and the like.

It might just be that cohort and their relatively younger age - they want to look sophisticated if they’re out, and they use their environment to as a backdrop for that.

@Cailleach1
In the clip, McBride also asks the other person whether he thinks McBride has an advantage over a (professional) sportswoman, in order to ridicule the idea that men have an advantage when competing in the same class as women.
That's also a logical fail because McBride needed to compare the sportswoman with a sportsman with similar years of training, not with a regular person.

I haven't read the entire thread but I will note that [my US state's—which is not Sarah's state] Democratic Party as well as the BlueAmp fundraising entity sent out emails about Sarah McBride asking me to donate money. I unsubscribed from both lists and politely, tersely mentioned why. Struck me as tone-deaf and cynical to fundraise off this, particularly when neither list has emailed me much lately.

I live in the state next to Sarah's. She won't lose her next election unless there's some sort of scandal and I don't mean being trans. Delaware is an at large seat in a state that has no prospect of flipping anytime soon; it has two Democratic Senators, one of whom took over from Joe Biden after he served for nearly 40 years, and the other of whom is being replaced by McBride's predecessor. The Republican Party there has been active and successful in the past, but its primary interests are economic (a ridiculous number of US corporations are headquartered in Delaware).

No, I’m making a serious point (which other pp have noted too) that there’s a big difference between single-sex toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc, and the old-school men’s clubs.

These organisations banned women by constitution, but were where powerful businessmen and politicians used to hang out. These were a clear part of the patriarchy & class system, allowing young, well-connected men to climb the career ladder to the exclusion of young women and men without powerful sponsors.

From what you’re describing, Mary Harrington didn’t consider the impact of going back to these systems. I’m surprised you need this spelling out. Personally, I don’t consider that giving men back such levers of power is a good trade for allowing women single-sex toilets. That sounds quite a lot like “choose your method of subjugation”

Women take bathroom selfies at HOME. In their own toilet. Women don't take selfies in public toilets. That's the difference.

Yeh that's not what's she's saying though.

Read her book if you want to understand it more, I referenced it here because it had relevance to the concept of just allowing the sexes to segregate sometimes just because they want to is sufficient and important.

Your reverting to the same old argument about old boys clubs just shows that you have not understood or considered her point.

If you want to consider her point, read her book I can assure you she's thought about it even if you disagree.

I'm not sure why 'you are surprised I need it spelling out' you don't know me. Maybe I'm very dim. Like Mary Harrington.

That's not true and repeatedly reverting to an argument that's not true doesn't help.

Young women do take pictures of themselves in the loo mirror etc on a night out. Frequently. And post them on social media.

Apparently not all the stellar young women everyone on fwr knows, but loads of other dressed up pissed up arsing about with their mates young women do.
And they're still women right? We still include them here?

You may think it's sad, pathetic, you've never come across such a thing, etc, but meanwhile in the real world, yes young women do this.

The loos have always been a place where young women congregate and mess about, it would be odd if phones weren't often now part of that.

It doesn't matter that they do this.
Men still shouldn't be in there.

So please drop this insistence that women don't do it. It's not true and it really doesn't matter anyway.