Blue Sky

[AndCoronets]

What do you make of it? I was all for a break from the cesspit that it is TwiX, but I'm getting dubious vibes. Set up my account, searched for a few of the accounts which I follow on Twitter, got to Kathleen Stock and all I found was transphobe, blah blah type posts. Depressing.

Cisgender, a word that can be found in all major dictionaries with a valid definition?

No, that is not offensive at all. Anyone who thinks it is would appear to be somewhat out of touch. Musk thinks it is but Musk (richest man on Earth who grew up with SA apartheid) isn't exactly representative of the average person. IMO.

Does seem to be representative of the average american, though.....if the election results are anything to go by. People reject the radical trans agenda when they understand it. They don't agree to women being re-named as a category of their own sex; they don't like boys in their daughter's changing rooms or bathrooms, and they don't like men in women's sports.

This is what 'cisgender' tends to mean in practice.

Er yes it is offensive.

Abusive words and offensive words CAN be found in dictionaries.

The major dictionaries will always label slurs and offensive words as such. I've looked Cisgender in multiple dictionaries and it carries no such label.

Also funny how the people who claim cisgender is offensive also tend to throw around transphobic terms which really are offensive such as "tranny" or "tr*n" which is even worse. I haven't seen JK Rowling use tr*n directly but I've seen her lol along with others who use it.

Outside of the gender critical community, you are not going to find anyone who will agree with you that "cisgender" is an offensive word.

For example see the 2 screenshots below from dictionary.com

It's so good to know that if I take a bus to town it's public transport, and when I take it back home it's cisport. And if I read a book it the language it's written in, it's literature in cislation.

Except of course it doesn't because that is not how language works, and although the whole concept of transgenderism being a thing people are expected to opt out of in order to justify their existence is offensive, and transhumanism is a mad and dangerous concept, expecting non-combatants to make themselves look subliterate by using that language is also unacceptable.

You can quote whatever the fuck you like at me.

I am offended. There are plenty of other people here who think cis is offensive.

YOU ARE NOT THE GATEKEEPER WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT IS OFFENSIVE.

This shows power dynamics. If you think you get to decide this over others saying this is offensive you show your arrogance and are oblivious to your privilege.

It's an offensive term to a hell of a lot of women. Thats actual women. They don't need to be offensively battered with any prefixes against their will. They are free to determine their own identity and what offends them.

Bore off.

Hahaha.

Cisport. Love it.

It's not scary it's just bullshit. Women don't need a prefix in relation to men because men aren't women.

If a man wants to call himself a 'trans woman' then I can't stop him but I'm bloody well not going to be referred to as a 'cis woman' at his behest.

Surely ALL men are transwomen by this ridiculous definition.

I’ve only recently properly got into X within the last 18 months, had an account for years but mostly stayed away. But I like it now, however I’m not easily influenced by an opinion just because it’s come from a celebrity or a certain politician. I can’t stand Threads. I hardly use instagram but I don’t like the way Threads insists the accounts are linked. I just don’t like how it’s forced upon. I didn’t like Blue Sky…feels like an echo chamber and I just don’t need or want another platform to sign up to.

"It's so good to know that if I take a bus to town it's public transport, and when I take it back home it's cisport"

That isn't how it would be used.

You've heard people talk about transatlantic flights (to the other side of the Atlantic), if you really wanted to say you took a flight that didn't go over the Atlantic you could say you took a cisatlantic flight, that sort of thing.

Here's a handy cheat sheet if it helps

I’m on both at the moment. I love Twitter apart from the far right cesspit that is ‘for you’ which I only go on by accident. I follow a lot of people I like on there and I ignore the offensive comments I might get - I’m quite thick skinned about them. I find Blue Sky very twee at the moments but is quite relaxing to scroll and not get the far right hate stuff. I’ve followed people via the starter packs but careful not to follow anyone with pronouns or trans flag in their bio. Haven’t posted about trans issues yet - waiting till I find a few more GC women to follow and support

'handy cheatsheet'

Well I guess that's an admission of cheating...

Given how often "cheatsheets" are used for studying, we would need to revoke a lot of people's Uni degrees then...

Haven’t posted about trans issues yet - waiting till I find a few more GC women to follow and support

Maybe find the big accounts, there are a few on there. Glosswitch, Suzanne Moore, Janice Turner etc. then look at who is following them, you should find people that way.

Since it's a makey-up misuse of an originally very specific Latin geographic descriptor I can use it any way I like. Transatlantic versus Cistlantic would at least echo Transalpine and Cisalpine Gaul.

Maybe we should if they are coming up with nonsense crap like cis all over their papers.

https://bsky.app/starter-pack/ro-lal.bsky.social/3l2pzasn5ae26

Lots of other starter packs if you search "trans starter pack"
Interesting solo example from a "cisgender starter pack" search

Thanks - I’ve just followed Kathleen Stock and been going through her followers to see if I recognise anyone from Twitter. I’ll check the names you mentioned too thanks

Dear god.

Brain dead central then.

I'll slum it with the dickwads on twitter for a while yet.

The N word is in both my dictionaries with a valid definition. That is no measure of how offensive a word is.

For what it's worth, I don't know of any word that is always offensive. The context matters enormously. But cis as a descriptive term in the arena of sex and gender stands for a whole ideology, one which I reject. I am struggling to think of a use of cis applied to a person that is not offensive, if only because it implies that there is a type of man who is not male or a type of woman who is not female. Interestingly, trans does not have that implication for me - I just interpret it as short for "trans identifying" and do the mental juggling that the word following trans is probably the wrong sex.

Rather outside the gender ideologues you'll not find any one who uses that word.

I'm with @RedToothBrush you don't get to decide to mangle language for other women or dictate a term many women find offensive. Thankfully

It makes me appreciate there are platforms that say no to it

Cisgender was coined about 30 years ago and can be found in any major dictionary you can think of.

I'm just wondering who you are to have the authority to say cisgender is a "makey-up misuse" of the prefix cis? Are you manager of the English language and do Oxford, Collins and Webster all ask for your advice and approval when they are updating their dictionaries?

Haha. I see just how seriously to take ChatGPT if it thinks New York and London are on the same side of the Atlantic.

If cisalpine means on the Italian side of the Alps and transalpine means on the French side, then that's rather different from the use of transatlantic. Language is not as cut and dried as that. Still, next time I want an argument with a Catholic, I'll see what they have to say about cisubstantiation.

Cis applied to gender has never been satisfactorily defined. The usual "gender identity aligned with sex" is useless without admitting that the concept of gender identity depends on gender stereotypes, and if that is the definition, I as a supposedly "cisgender" male would have to fit male stereotypes, but I don't. So then I must be transgender (as even non-binary is trans, I'm told), but I'm not, as I don't fit female stereotypes either. My wife is more masculine that me according to some gender expectations!

"It makes me appreciate there are platforms that say no to it"

Musk is a big suck-up to the gender critical community, but literally anything else gets a free pass on Twitter. Are you ok with the fact Twitter is full of violent threats, doxxing, Islamophobia, racism against black people, Indians etc? And reporting any of this tends to result in nothing happening?

Musk also won't cooperate with police investigations which means racist criminals can use Twitter as their platform to say anything they want (as long as they don't use the word "cisgender", of course).

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/saka-racist-abuse-police-arsenal-33467309