NCHI's - it's all kicking off!!

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A Telegraph journalist was doorsteps by the Police on Remembrance Sunday for a year old tweet. They wouldn't tell her what the tweet was or who the complainant...sorry...victim was. I think it's may actually have been recorded as a crime now?

Murdo Fraser (autocorrupted to 'murder', add an 'ous' and that might be actually how he's feeling) has failed, so far, to get the NCHI recorded for his non-binary/cats tweet, removed. Safe to say he's not giving up.

Labour seem set on removing the ffs tone it down on the NCHIs guidance given to the Police.

The there's this article on Maya Forstater's legal troubles. Previous threads have been taken down for....no doubt excellent reasons. As it's reported in a newspaper I can't see why we can can't talk about it, within reason. I've taken the precaution of a new thread though jic.

https://archive.ph/o8yD8 none paywall click indisslink

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/13/gender-critical-maya-forstater-hate-crime-investigation/

Eta link and bad pun

Article in the Times that covers some of the same ground

https://archive.ph/x1r8a

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/police-condemned-for-treating-allison-pearson-tweet-as-hate-incident-plrg0gwz8

None of this can end well for society in general.

Officers contacted her two months after the post on X, formerly Twitter, in June 2023 to say she was being invited to a voluntary interview to give her side of the events.
Despite asking a series of questions about the details of the allegation, she was told only that it related to a post “targeted” at a member of the transgender community. The officer said they could not divulge any more because the “victim” was susceptible to further comments.

She was warned that if she failed to attend the police interview voluntarily, she would be marked as “wanted” on the Met Police’s system and would eventually be arrested.

For a non-crime incident, for which no details or specifics could be mentioned, this is an interesting use of 'voluntary' given that it bundles in a realistic threat of arrest. I'd be grateful for someone who can give legal insight into the processes here.

Im surprised there is no mention of Harry Miller's successful court action, which should have put the brakes on this practice.

What is “The officer said they could not divulge any more because the “victim” was susceptible to further comments” in the DT article supposed to mean?

Likely to receive further comments? Sensitive to further comments?

I wondered about that. Your latter suggestion seems reasonable. I wouldn't be surprised if that's an accurate account of what the officer said, given their general understanding of the issues…

How can you give your side of the event when you're not allowed to know what that event was?

Dystopian.

In situations like this the police are clearly attempting to get you to incriminate yourself by stating your views. But nobody in their right mind would answer any questions in relation to an unknown Tweet?

But unless she routinely deletes Tweets I imagine she will have a good idea of the subject matter because she thought to delete it.

Probably Pearson's tweet was considered Islamophobic, as it was around the time of the October 7 attacks last year. The idea that that should be a matter for the police, though, is absurd.

Discussed on PM just now

I have found it just typical of the hypocrasy in the media that they cant be bothered to look at the issus of the mis-use of non hate crime hate speech when it is, for instance, women with women's sex based rights views, but when it is one of their own, they are all over it.

See article from FSU which implies what may have been the issue / complaint. https://freespeechunion.org/telegraph-journalist-allison-pearson-faces-investigation-over-reported-non-crime-hate-incident/

It could be an example of how different police forces handle complaints.

ie if one person says they are offended, or insulted, is that enough to interview someone?

We know they do it to women with GC views.

And had the media been following that properly (look at what happened in Scotland) they should by now have covered the problem and maybe force politicians to agree a more rational implementation of the law they have created.

And if fact, just think how many of us could report just about every over tweet on twitter, because it is so captured.

Its so clear that this law is being used by people to stop other people expressing a view point they dont agree with.

Strange that AP / the Telegraph haven't heard of syaing, the process is the punishment.

Not sure this sharetoke works, I'm not on my usual device:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/b7b5898d-ea05-4b03-853a-56f18578dda7?shareToken

Maya has reported that no further action will be taken regarding the tweet. The met called tonight even though the decision was made 2 months ago!

https://x.com/mforstater/status/1857164057301664094?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Weirdly, the share token link didn't work but I found an archived version of the article so I thought I'd post it here too in case anyone else has the same tech issue I did.

archive.ph/59623

I find this all very sinister.

We have the very rapid court hearings and sentencing of people who tweeted about the Southport attacks and in the aftermath.

We have the extremely protracted investigations into women who tweet about women’s rights.

Finally, we have deeply unpleasant targeted tweets from TRAs to women that seem not to be investigated at all. No action taken against the vile packards at Let Women Speak events.

I have seen appalling antisemitism posted on social media, including from so-called friends on Facebook that I find offensive and I am not even Jewish. Someone I know posted a “from the river to the sea” meme with the entire map of Israel subsumed by the Palestinian flag, essentially a meme calling for the eradication of Israel completely.

I could easily report this sort of stuff as a NCHI but I don’t, it’s so ubiquitous I wouldn’t know where to start. So as far as I can see there are only three reasons someone would go to the lengths to do so:

a) the post in question is so egregiously offensive, like beyond the normal hate and bile that it deserves its own special attention due to how awful it really is
b) someone is so genuinely upset by something genuinely horrible that they feel the need to take a stand and make a point about it
c) a person is so determined to do damage to the person who posted it that they’re willing to go to the effort and deal with the police on it.

Well, isn't this all very East German. They will have a nice little dossier on each citizen soon, starting with childhood namecalling right upto adult wrongthink. The neo-Stazi Police can forget actual crime and just focus on all the reports of non-crime coming in from citizens about their fellow citizens. We can then all live in a soul-crushing miasma of not trusting anyone with your real thoughts caused by people telling tales on each other. Only this time there isn't an actual wall to destroy to enable escape.

A spokesman for Outspoken Women said: “If this has been regarded as a hate incident that’s pretty serious in a democratic society, which is supposed to have freedom of speech.” Dyfed-Powys police said it was satisfied that the incident, which was initially recorded as a crime, had been now correctly classified.
A NCHI was logged by Wiltshire police after stickers and shirts were promoted and sold that contained “anti-transgender phrases” such as “trans women are men”. Wiltshire police said it had put in place measures to help ensure understanding of the guidance and code of conduct.

From the archived Times linked above - I'm not sure if the first is now an NCHI rather than crime and if the second has now been removed or still stands because it's still within the scope of Wiltshire's understanding of the guidance and code.

It's not so much that I lack comprehension but I don't trust that the Police Forces are being clear. And I resent/regret that the journalists didn't ask these points of clarification.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/f00d4703-c3bd-4d64-b61d-6bf6317dcb52?shareToken=774321e7202fe6def0799e39dd16e44a

I think in somecases the Police are issuing them as a bone to placate the complainants. A policebo.

From the Guardian. Makes Pearson's claim to the moral high ground look a little shaky.

www.theguardian.com/media/2024/nov/15/allison-pearson-jew-haters-tweet-is-at-centre-of-telegraphs-row-with-police

An archive link for the Times article referred to by OvaHere:

https://archive.ph/jAvMF (this was working earlier but is currently giving "Server Error")

I'd kind of guessed it might be something like this but I'm not sure this is as much of a "gotcha" as the Guardian thinks. A nasty/stupid tweet was made and then taken down. Unpleasant, perhaps but surely not worth an arrest?

More interesting, if true, is that Essex Police have reported the Telegraph for publishing false information!

The social media police and really going to town this week aren’t they? There is a vid doing the rounds on Twitter of an older man with kidney disease being arrested at 4am for having posted something about not wanting to see Palestinian flags in the UK. Unless there is a lot more to this story than the footage suggests we are entering very worrying territory in the UK.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1857464479891542427