NCHI's - it's all kicking off!!

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A Telegraph journalist was doorsteps by the Police on Remembrance Sunday for a year old tweet. They wouldn't tell her what the tweet was or who the complainant...sorry...victim was. I think it's may actually have been recorded as a crime now?

Murdo Fraser (autocorrupted to 'murder', add an 'ous' and that might be actually how he's feeling) has failed, so far, to get the NCHI recorded for his non-binary/cats tweet, removed. Safe to say he's not giving up.

Labour seem set on removing the ffs tone it down on the NCHIs guidance given to the Police.

The there's this article on Maya Forstater's legal troubles. Previous threads have been taken down for....no doubt excellent reasons. As it's reported in a newspaper I can't see why we can can't talk about it, within reason. I've taken the precaution of a new thread though jic.

https://archive.ph/o8yD8 none paywall click indisslink

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/13/gender-critical-maya-forstater-hate-crime-investigation/

Eta link and bad pun

Lol, the plot thickens. Looks like the Guardian may have done a whole article on the wrong Tweet and the wrong Allison Pearson if this is correct! Classic bit of Guardian journalism!

https://x.com/StanFastic/status/1857489313979654551

Oh dear wonder what the truth is, it's all so orwellian, really don't recognise the way the police act anymore, but then I don't recognise a country where people waste so much time on twitter!

All the stuff that Essex Police have been reporting including reporting the press is bloody hilarious if they are actually talking about a fake Allison Pearson.

From the Guardian article, quoting the complainant:

“This is not a debate about free speech; this is about a journalist who tweeted something false“

Let’s review the Guardian journalists’ tweets about the Wi Spa incident, shall we…

I hope it's that tweet. Twelve months of investigation and they didn't realise it was a different person or should that be Pearson.?

They can't be that stupid...can they?

Well also need to ask who the person is who either deliberately or unintentionally didn't work out that the tweet they were reporting was for someone who may have the same name as a DT journalist, but actuallly isn't that person.

See https://x.com/mrspearson2014_ ... ???

Or specifically https://x.com/mrspearson2014_/status/1725284209558798632

I wonder if the UK non hate hate crimes operate in the US?

Omg the irony!

They are reporting in the telegraph that that was Allison pearsons tweet without reference to another Allison so thinking they got it right??? Sorry can't link as behind a pay wall and don't think they do share tokens. But that tweet screen shopped is clearly from another person so very confused.

Even if a journalist tweets something false how is that a police matter?

Journalists and media outlets have always got things wrong and there are civil processes to deal with this starting with complaints, retractions, apologies and if really necessary civil litigation from the affected party (not an uninvolved third party who took offence).

I take it the Guardian think we should all be living in a police state.

Rules for thee.

Twitter is now saying that the Tweet is a duplicate of AP’s Tweet (now deleted). AP isn’t denying that the Tweet is hers so looks like this detour might not be real.

It does indeed look like there's going to be some egg on faces... the Guardian article says that they've spoken to the complainant (a former public servant with training in criminal law) so presumably they're fairly sure that it's the correct tweet - but it looks like neither the complainant, the Guardian or the police looked very carefully at who made the post. Unless they think there's only one Allison Pearson? Interesting that the police couldn't (wouldn't?) tell the actual journalist Allison Pearson what she'd supposedly written.

I've posted the link to the actual tweet by the other AP who made the "hate speech" comments, up thread.

But for those who cant acess twitterX:

The comment attributed to journalist AP is in fact a comment by the other AP where she has re-tweeted someone called benonwine as a caption over a picture of some police standing with some men holding a flag.

This other AP has assmed it is Met Police standing with pro Palestinian marches, but in fact it is in Manchester where there were celebrations for Pakistan Independence day.

ie the other AP commented on benonwine's photo totally misunderstanding what the photo was about.

an unknown X user later added the clarification as to what the photo actually was.

All this from 16 November 2023.

So whether the person who reported this old tweet was being deliberately malicious towards AP the journalist, or never bothered to think that it might not be the journalist, I dont know.

But absolutely the police should have checked before visiting AP the journalist.

This whole incident might be an opportunity to make more people aware of how the police, or the police have been used to target GC women.

All those Fleet Street elitists wringing their hands over a journalist crony, never bothered to cover what has been happening to women all over the UK. Does anyone remember the terrible treatment of a woman in Wales who is a wheel chair user, actually held over night without her medicine. And other left with nothing resolved because the officer in charge had gone on extended leave to Australia. Or KJK?

Part of me wants to just laught at them for being so precious, but if it at least makes them sit up and pay attention to all those who dont have journalist crony friends to speak up for them, maybe something would have been done to challenge this ridiculous state of affairs.

Review hate laws to protect free speech, says Kemi Badenoch
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/15/free-speech-is-under-attack-warns-kemi-badenoch/
Can also be read at https://archive.is/FfDEo

Sorry, dont want to flood this thread with posts, but having asserted the "facts" in a post above, I am going to have to say that (apparently that isn't the story in full). Sigh

So yes the other AP did inappropriately comment on a retweet, and used "inflamatory" language.

According to the Telegraph journalist AP is saying she did retweet, the retweet with the "inflamatory" language.

But ... on seeing that the other AP had got her facts wrong deleted her retweet.

But all of this a year ago. Which makes it even odder that the complainer only reported journalist AP to the police, but not the other AP who made the "inflammatory" tweet that was also factually incorrect.

According to the Telegraph:

It began when Pearson, reposted a video showing two men holding a flag on a British street and flanked by a group of police officers.

The original author suggested that police had “picked a side” just weeks after the Oct 7 massacre and amid heightened tensions over the policing of Gaza protests.

The image angered Pearson, who shared it.

But unbeknown to her, the video was from Manchester and the flag was not related to the Middle East. Instead, it was held by supporters of the Pakistani political party Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.

Other X users recognised the mistake in this original post and added a so-called community note pointing out that it was wrong.

Pearson quickly deleted her own post after the error was pointed out by users

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/how-allison-pearson-tweet-year-long-police-investigation/
Article available at https://archive.is/UMQug

Original tweet is still online at https://x.com/mrspearson2014/status/1725284209558798632

Wasn’t aware of the Guardian’s tweets about the wi spa?

I don’t know about the Tweets but this article was a shocker. I can’t believe it’s still up.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/28/anti-trans-video-los-angeles-protest-wi-spa

And in the meantime the police are still failing to investigate actual crime against women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgwp4059xgo

Maybe this is a side issue, but I'm curious about which Allison Pearson posted the original tweet - did journalist Allison Pearson post the tweet, which was then reposted by the other Allison Pearson, or did the other Allison Pearson post the tweet, which was then reposted by the journalist? If the latter, that is very odd!

That aside, the existence of the second Allison Pearson account is perplexing. Why is there an account on X seemingly dedicated to reposting the tweets of another person? What's the point?

That aside, the existence of the second Allison Pearson account is perplexing. Why is there an account on X seemingly dedicated to reposting the tweets of another person? What's the point?

These type of accounts usually have a webpage to link to.

The authors of the article above were tweeting about it at the time, there are links in the original threads on here, from memory. The accuracy of their tweets form the basis of the accuracy of the article.

Bearing in mind the article starts with:

a woman claimed on Instagram that a Korean spa in Los Angeles had allowed a “man” to expose himself to women and girls in the women’s section.

and describes it as “viral misinformation” and “leading some to question whether the incident was staged”.

From what I can work out, the real AP did originally make that post and then deleted it. She hasn’t denied making the post she has just denied that it was racist or that it was stirring up racial hatred.

If the post wasn’t hers I imagine she would just say “that post has nothing to do with me”

https://x.com/AllisonPearson/status/1857716642140110926

just to add, the suggestion on Twitter (so it might be bollocks) is that the fake AP is a bot account that has somehow replicated the real AP post.

That aside, the existence of the second Allison Pearson account is perplexing. Why is there an account on X seemingly dedicated to reposting the tweets of another person? What's the point?

I guess because she's an influential journalist perceived as right wing. A lot of people dislike her and the media she writes for. Maybe she has a record of deleting tweets? There used to be accounts dedicated to reporting individual politicians' deleted tweets, for eg. Just my speculation.