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NCHI's - it's all kicking off!!

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lcakethereforeIam · 14/11/2024 12:16

A Telegraph journalist was doorsteps by the Police on Remembrance Sunday for a year old tweet. They wouldn't tell her what the tweet was or who the complainant...sorry...victim was. I think it's may actually have been recorded as a crime now?

Murdo Fraser (autocorrupted to 'murder', add an 'ous' and that might be actually how he's feeling) has failed, so far, to get the NCHI recorded for his non-binary/cats tweet, removed. Safe to say he's not giving up.

Labour seem set on removing the ffs tone it down on the NCHIs guidance given to the Police.

The there's this article on Maya Forstater's legal troubles. Previous threads have been taken down for....no doubt excellent reasons. As it's reported in a newspaper I can't see why we can can't talk about it, within reason. I've taken the precaution of a new thread though jic.

https://archive.ph/o8yD8 none paywall click indisslink

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/13/gender-critical-maya-forstater-hate-crime-investigation/

Eta link and bad pun

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OvaHere · 16/11/2024 11:47

What is the legal technicality in this situation? AP deleted the original tweet (fairly quickly by all accounts) but the tweet reported wasn't published by her - it therefore belongs to and was amplified by either an automated bot or a human bot.

Now I don't think this should be a police matter in the first place but I suspect a good lawyer could argue AP is not the responsible party.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/11/2024 11:55

The issue is bigger than AP, I'm glad that her ordeal is amplifying it although sorry for what she's going through. Even if Police action is warranted in her case, I hope that won't lead to the whole problematic area being dismissed as a big fuss about nothing.

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Signalbox · 16/11/2024 14:15

OvaHere · 16/11/2024 11:47

What is the legal technicality in this situation? AP deleted the original tweet (fairly quickly by all accounts) but the tweet reported wasn't published by her - it therefore belongs to and was amplified by either an automated bot or a human bot.

Now I don't think this should be a police matter in the first place but I suspect a good lawyer could argue AP is not the responsible party.

Do we know that the post reported wasn’t the real AP post? The person who reported it may have had a screenshot of the original post.

youheard · 16/11/2024 14:21

AP wrote the original post, it was screenshotted

She lied about her visit from the police and what it entailed

She blocks anyone who disagrees with her on X despite her commitment to free speech

She would be the first to applaud the police turning up on the doorstep of an immigrant for a brief chat on a Sunday morning

She's racist, far-right, rabble-rousing scum. HTH

Signalbox · 16/11/2024 14:44

youheard · 16/11/2024 14:21

AP wrote the original post, it was screenshotted

She lied about her visit from the police and what it entailed

She blocks anyone who disagrees with her on X despite her commitment to free speech

She would be the first to applaud the police turning up on the doorstep of an immigrant for a brief chat on a Sunday morning

She's racist, far-right, rabble-rousing scum. HTH

She blocks anyone who disagrees with her on X despite her commitment to free speech

Having a commitment to free speech doesn’t mean that you have an obligation to listen to anonymous dickheads on the internet. Blocking people who disagree with her does nothing to prevent those people from speaking freely.

Signalbox · 16/11/2024 14:51

She's racist, far-right, rabble-rousing scum. HTH

Do you think people should be investigated and charged for posts such as this one? What would you like to see as a sentence upon conviction? Prison time?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/11/2024 14:55

She's racist, far-right, rabble-rousing scum. HTH’

Thank you for your calm and measured contribution.

youheard · 16/11/2024 15:04

Signalbox · 16/11/2024 14:51

She's racist, far-right, rabble-rousing scum. HTH

Do you think people should be investigated and charged for posts such as this one? What would you like to see as a sentence upon conviction? Prison time?

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Yes, I think they should be investigated, not necessarily charged or imprisoned, it depends on the severity of the post

People were rightly arrested for their posts inciting racial hatred in the riots in the summer. AP does the same thing on a larger scale using the veneer of being a "respectable" journalist, which she hasn't been for decades.

My contribution may not seem calm or measured, it's nothing compared to what AP and her ilk say every day.

Anyway, this is a little "gender-critical" bubble here so I won't be back to intrude further on this topic, as you don't like dissenting voices, but just to remind you AP's tweets had nothing to do with her views on gender.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2024 15:06

Anyway, this is a little "gender-critical" bubble here so I won't be back to intrude further on this topic

It sounds like it's you that doesn't really like dissent.

youheard · 16/11/2024 15:13

I have no problem with dissent but I don't think that's generally the case on this topic, so will be off now! Bye x

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2024 15:16

You are literally leaving because you don't like what you think people's opinions will be on this topic. So yes you do have a problem with dissent. Bye though.

Signalbox · 16/11/2024 15:17

Yes, I think they should be investigated, not necessarily charged or imprisoned, it depends on the severity of the post

But isn’t it just a monumental waste of police time to routinely investigate every nasty or racist tweet which will never reach the threshold for criminality? There are actual crimes in the physical real world like the one posted up thread where there is a very real chance of conviction if the police would just stop wasting time with cases like this one.

Signalbox · 16/11/2024 15:20

Also I do really like alternative viewpoints to my own. It helps me to work out what I think about an issue and I do sometimes shift my position.

nauticant · 16/11/2024 15:28

It's always good to have one's perspective shifted by nuanced argument.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 16/11/2024 15:49

She blocks anyone who disagrees with her on X despite her commitment to free speech

the fucking irony

MrsNotquiteAverage · 16/11/2024 16:09

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 16/11/2024 15:49

She blocks anyone who disagrees with her on X despite her commitment to free speech

the fucking irony

Even if she does not want to hear a voice dissenting with her. It doesn't restrict the 'free speech' of anyone.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 16/11/2024 16:38

MrsNotquiteAverage · 16/11/2024 16:09

Even if she does not want to hear a voice dissenting with her. It doesn't restrict the 'free speech' of anyone.

Yes i know, that poster doesn’t though…

Igmum · 16/11/2024 18:23

Well, aside from the confusion of Pearsons, if she did tweet that it is racist and unpleasant but not a police matter. Press standards yes, police no

IwantToRetire · 16/11/2024 20:26

Okay, just to go through it again, even though I posted a detailed description the sequence of events was (a year ago)

Non journalist AP retweeted a tweet from someone else showing a picture of police with some men with flags.

Non journalist AP headed her retweet with offensive slur and mis labeled it Met Police with pro Palestine marchers (it was in fact Manchester celebration of Pakistan Independence Day)

For some reason journalist AP retweeted the re tweet from non journalist AP.

But when journalist AP saw the correction that it wasn't about Palestine she deleted her retweet because of it being factually incorrect, not that she slurred presumed pro Palestinian marchers.

So not clear why complainer only reported journalist AP and not the non journalist AP whose tweet is still there, with slur.

ie did the person reporting really care about the slur or just wanted to attack journalist AP

The non journalist AP is clearly some sort of right wing conspiracy theorist based on other tweets, like the women who spread false information about Southport.

A further twist could be that in fact journalist AP has set up a fake account to say things she knows that in terms of her profession would damaged her reputation.

Also raises the issue of why police dont check their facts, because it just seems that any old individual can report a tweet, facebook post or whatever and say they were triggered, and the police then act solely on the basis of the individual complaint without investigation.

But as I said previously, we really should be using this to try and make the media recognise that other people, not just their cronies in the media, are being mistreated by the police, and they should be acting a bit more professionally and researching who else it has happened to.

(PS Original tweet is still online at https://x.com/mrspearson2014/status/1725284209558798632 )

Signalbox · 16/11/2024 20:51

IwantToRetire · 16/11/2024 20:26

Okay, just to go through it again, even though I posted a detailed description the sequence of events was (a year ago)

Non journalist AP retweeted a tweet from someone else showing a picture of police with some men with flags.

Non journalist AP headed her retweet with offensive slur and mis labeled it Met Police with pro Palestine marchers (it was in fact Manchester celebration of Pakistan Independence Day)

For some reason journalist AP retweeted the re tweet from non journalist AP.

But when journalist AP saw the correction that it wasn't about Palestine she deleted her retweet because of it being factually incorrect, not that she slurred presumed pro Palestinian marchers.

So not clear why complainer only reported journalist AP and not the non journalist AP whose tweet is still there, with slur.

ie did the person reporting really care about the slur or just wanted to attack journalist AP

The non journalist AP is clearly some sort of right wing conspiracy theorist based on other tweets, like the women who spread false information about Southport.

A further twist could be that in fact journalist AP has set up a fake account to say things she knows that in terms of her profession would damaged her reputation.

Also raises the issue of why police dont check their facts, because it just seems that any old individual can report a tweet, facebook post or whatever and say they were triggered, and the police then act solely on the basis of the individual complaint without investigation.

But as I said previously, we really should be using this to try and make the media recognise that other people, not just their cronies in the media, are being mistreated by the police, and they should be acting a bit more professionally and researching who else it has happened to.

(PS Original tweet is still online at https://x.com/mrspearson2014/status/1725284209558798632 )

No I don't think this is quite right. I think the fake AP post is an exact replica of the real AP post.

The fake AP account is highly suspect. The fake AP joined Twitter in October 2023. Their original tweets consist mainly of them asking other users to "follow me back I want to talk to you about something". All their posting activity exists between 23/10/23 and 19/11/23 and the majority of the posts are made between 16/11/24 and 19/11/24. There are several posts that are identical copies of the real AP posts.

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Signalbox · 16/11/2024 20:53

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Signalbox · 16/11/2024 20:57

So this is an account that was replicating AP's tweets during a very short window of time. It's very odd.