La leche league trustee resigns because of trans inclusive policy

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/012cb489-a63d-4dd1-9761-43bf0c3f9e85?shareToken=afe5bd2849d21256c715ea2af617063f

A trustee and PR director of Britain’s oldest breastfeeding charity has resigned after it introduced an inclusivity policy that allowed men to attend support groups.

Not sure. Not LLL, but I did all the NHS peer support training, and supporting, and the whole focus is, or was, the physiology and psychology of breastfeeding. It's all about helping and supporting women, as it should be.

Men's fetishises won't even register on the radar.

Our local NHS groups, for which I'm a peer supporter, are open to supportive others, including men. I have long argued this is the reason we have never, in the four years I've been involved had a muslin woman attend!

Such a shame you had to do this but the organiser was foolish - does she actually want to have a job and a purpose?! Well done to you all for sticking to your guns.

I would have hated having men at the group I attended many moons ago. At times I needed help with positioning / what felt like ramming my first baby on the nipple and there’s no way I would have wanted a random man there, whether husband or trans or whatever. Agree with PP: no breastfeeding boobs = not welcome.

Well yeah duh 🤦‍♀️ women from several ethnic or religious backgrounds won’t be at all comfortable with having a man around. “Inclusive” - my arse 😡

Couldn’t agree more. It’s cruelty.

"MWCTBW"

We should use this more often

Thank you!

A rare time I come up with an acronym. 😄

I know....

👏 @Catsmere

I was helped by LLL nearly 50 years ago. Other women's husbands turning up at meetings would have entirely changed the dynamic. Some women would not have fed their babies, most would have felt constrained in what they talked about. I remember the LLL leader's DH wfh at the time and was banished to the kitchen or an upstairs office throughout meetings.

::curtseys:: ;)

Men trying to "feed" babies with the concoction of drugs they exude from their nipples are committing child sexual abuse. It's abhorrent and mind-boggling that groups such as LLL support paedophiles and punish women for speaking up about them.

"Milk either comes out of your breast or it doesn’t."

Sadly, this is where I have to point out where these male people have created a crack to whack in that splitting wedge.

Those who fully support these males call the drug laden substance that comes from the nipple 'milk'. Therefore they say they are 'breast feeding'.

The substance has only partially been tested. And only by groups who are very biased in what they want to publish. So they have tested the 'nutrition' components of the substance and never tested the degree of the chemical interaction, of the many combinations of drugs they take, on the excreted substance.

We have studies though and can link them up where the issues become very quickly apparent such as lack of colostrum, lack of any ability to 'stage' the milk production, the lack of ability to produce enough supply and so much more. Yet, LLL support these male people. Not only in being in the groups, but to actually support them in feeding this substance!

Content warning for anyone who wishes to remain oblivious to this issue - don't read:

https://www.them.us/story/trans-women-breastfeed

This is an illuminating read and shows insight into the motivations for these male people who seek to do this.

And for removal of any doubt. These are self published anecdotes that these male people seem rather proud to publish.

We have leaders of countries scratching their heads as to why the birth rate is dropping.

I really do think that women and girls are turning off having relationships with men. Every way we turn there’s men abusing children, and bullying us to accommodate their sick fetishes.

If only we could discover another planet we could all move to and leave them to it.

I once had a husband who wanted to attend the BF clinic with his wife. I explained why it was inappropriate, arranged for them to come back for a separate session, and then checked in with my supervisor as it could be an indication of an abusive/controlling relationship. (That was our policy)

I still regret not managing to breastfeed and part of the blame goes to the hospital's policy of not allowing privacy to women who want to try I didn't feel comfortable trying to pump in front of male strangers and they allowed men in at all times. Still pisses me off particularly as said hospital had won a breastfeeding award. Good on her for standing up for women!

When I had my second child he had a bad tounge tie and I refused to leave the hospital as he couldn't feed. They sent me along to the breastfeeding support group down the corridor. Nearly every woman had her partner there and we were all sat in a circle when receiving help multiple men could see your boob. There is no way o could have got my boob out in front of that many men. Luckily I had successfully bf my first child so knew what I was doing, bf supporter took one look at him said can't feed with that tounge and referred us to get it snipped so I didn't have to get my boob out. I would have bottle fed if I couldmt avoid the men. Most were being very considerate but a couple definitely ogling the boobs, not necessarily in a perv way just couldn't keep their eyes to themselves

Totally agree with everything you have said. I think you understand my point but it’s a good clarification. It’s isn’t ‘milk’ then is it I guess?

I get that might be the case for the training, but as soon as they're out in the world, I should imagine it becomes perfectly plain.

My own midwife years ago had various anecdotes about pervy men and breastfeeding, simply from home visits (husbands).

Men showing up at breastfeeding support groups are not going to be able to, and in many cases won't even want to, hide their enjoyment.

I'm reminded of a woman on here who used to answer the phone for the Samaritans. Several men every, single, fucking day, would be phoning up to get off on having a woman at the end of the phone. Likewise rape crisis helplines.

The women at the Samaritans were told to keep going with the call, 'just in case.'

Some men will do literally anything to get their rocks off, and a good proportion of them don't mind who knows it.

There will be very many people at LLL who knows exactly what's happening, and some of them will be fine with it.

And just for balance men can have their own group. I have no problem if a bunch of dads want to get together and support each other through their partners breastfeeding. (WTF would they need that for!?!?). Otherwise, inclusivity shouldn’t mean excluding the people who the group is intended to support (in this specific instance).

Maybe women should start attending erectile dysfunction support groups.

Furthermore, you would think the LLL are exactly the specific organisation to have this substance tested to find out the nutritional value.

When your job is to promote breastfeeding, surely to God, you should be able to knowledgeably discuss the content of the milk you're advocating for??

I hope this hits the papers. And I hope they get held to account for the liquid they are recommending is fed to babies

I’d just like to point out that this isn’t going unchallenged and the fight within LLL continues. Please wish your sisters who are standing up for the rights of women the strength to see it through to the end where they can fully focus again on its true purpose - it’s been a stalwart in breastfeeding support over the years and always stood up for the rights of the baby- these outlying characters are not going to be allowed to take it down without a real battle.

And, in the bigger picture, thanks so much to the Labour Party, the trades unions, the charities, and all the others that facilitated this mad state of affairs and gave support and justification to these people. 🙄Bunch of fuckwits with their inclusivity bollix. This is where it gets us.

Good for her, I used to be a LLL leader back in the day. Women helping women, no place to men to come and gawp. Even male partners were not in the meetings, we turned them away at the door, due to there being other women feeding who wouldn't be comfortable with an unknown male in the room. I never met one who didn't get this.