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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

New Crowdfunder!

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Lovelyview · 11/11/2024 17:18

Another local authority - Bracknell Forest Borough Council.

'My name is Sarah Holman and I believe single sex facilities are vital for women and that you can’t change sex. I believe I have been discriminated against for having these views.'

It's on crowdjustice.

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Sartay · 14/11/2024 09:51

Redshoeblueshoe · 14/11/2024 09:45

Signposted for counselling made me laugh - because that is so fucking outrageous. Good luck

Yes us women are so unreasonable asking to retain single sex spaces that we must need reassurance and counselling. Highly insulting.

borntobequiet · 14/11/2024 09:51

I will be planting.
The lifts thing is mental.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 14/11/2024 10:11

The offer of abusive brainwashing/orwellian reeducation counselling, the lifts comment, the post-policy "EIA" that suggests women should be disciplined for stating opinions. All completely mad and only possibly justifiable if you don't see women as equal human beings or consider the protected characteristic of sex at all. All with taxpayers money.

I'm very happy to plant bulbs but I would like to know at what point the weight of case law establishing this sort of behaviour by publicly funded officials is illegal will start to see some firings and real change?

The offer of 'counselling' reminds me a little of a BBC article that framed what's happening to women and girls in Afghanistan as a mental health crisis. So sexist and insulting and deliberate avoidance of the main issue which is loss of women's rights

Justme56 · 14/11/2024 10:57

I’m sure Naomi will be very good at examining this. I had a quick look at their policy (Google came up with what I assume is this). It’s interesting because they use the terms ‘bathroom facilities’ which automatically made me think ‘America’. However, the link at the bottom goes to the transequality.org which ‘fights for the legal and political rights of transgender people in America’. A brief look seems to indicate sections have been lifted from this site especially in the appendix with examples like everyone has a gender identity.

Sartay · 14/11/2024 11:31

Justme56 · 14/11/2024 10:57

I’m sure Naomi will be very good at examining this. I had a quick look at their policy (Google came up with what I assume is this). It’s interesting because they use the terms ‘bathroom facilities’ which automatically made me think ‘America’. However, the link at the bottom goes to the transequality.org which ‘fights for the legal and political rights of transgender people in America’. A brief look seems to indicate sections have been lifted from this site especially in the appendix with examples like everyone has a gender identity.

Yes complete incompetence. American law has no relevance whatsoever.

Sartay · 14/11/2024 16:04

Please May I ask if Mumsnet mums could share this far and wide please. I have a very limited time to get the tribunal submitted.
I would be very grateful 💚🤍💜

Boiledbeetle · 14/11/2024 17:58

Currently at 79% of total raised

New Crowdfunder!
Iamnotalemming · 14/11/2024 18:11

Being sent for counselling sounds a lot like reframing your trauma.

Carrots planted. Good luck.

Catiette · 14/11/2024 20:54

The lift thing makes me especially angry for a different reason. It reveals Bracknell Forest Borough Council's total and utter ignorance of and/or indifference to women's sex-based reality.

The comparison of mixed-sex toilets with lifts relies* on either 1) the ignorant assumption that women have no issue sharing a lift with a strange man or* 2) the logical fallacy that, just because women sometimes choose to accept the risk of sharing a lift with a strange man, the council is free to remove that choice entirely in another context.

It's remarkable.

To Bracknell Forest Borough Council, if anyone supporting this appalling perspective ever reads this thread...

24 hours ago - just yesterday - I had an unsettling experience with a man in a lift and posted about it right here, in Chat. What are the odds?! you say. Well, quite high, actually. That's the whole point.

I last got into a lift alone with a strange man about three years ago (thinking at the time how silly I was to have been wary for a period)... and he spent the journey enjoying intimidating me to such an extent that I've not done it since. Thankfully, I had the freedom to make the choice not to be put in that position again...

...Until yesterday, when a man forced me into that same position, by holding open the door of the lift he'd just exited, clearly indicating his intention to walk away from it the moment I was in - then jumped right back in at the last minute, standing between me and the door. Thankfully, two other unrelated men then entered.

But at best, that first man misrepresented the situation I'd be in, in the lift, forcing me into a position in which I felt uncomfortable. And, at worst, he was prepared to do me harm.

Here's an analogy for you, Bracknell Forest Borough Council.

Don't be that man.

C4tintherug · 14/11/2024 21:34

I live in Bracknell Forest and I notice a lot of how every pride event is glorified but with very minimal attention given to any other minority groups.

I will donate to your cause.

Sartay · 14/11/2024 22:02

C4tintherug · 14/11/2024 21:34

I live in Bracknell Forest and I notice a lot of how every pride event is glorified but with very minimal attention given to any other minority groups.

I will donate to your cause.

Thank you. Same internally working in the council, it’s “Equality and diversity”” overload ……..but only if you are part of a “favoured” protected characteristic. I have no issue with pride etc, but only if council also “celebrates” everyone else equally …..and in moderation.

Frankly as a resident of Bracknell myself, I’d prefer the council to spend money on getting SEND services running properly rather than equality and diversity stunts and pointless virtue signalling.

ellenback21 · 14/11/2024 23:02

Carrots planted

larklane17 · 14/11/2024 23:25

Bumping again. Thank you for speaking out .

fashionqueen0123 · 14/11/2024 23:35

What happened to the men’s toilets?

nocoolnamesleft · 15/11/2024 00:11

Bump.

itsmylife7 · 15/11/2024 00:16

Sartay · 14/11/2024 16:04

Please May I ask if Mumsnet mums could share this far and wide please. I have a very limited time to get the tribunal submitted.
I would be very grateful 💚🤍💜

are you on twitter ×

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/11/2024 01:19

Planted a few wee bulbs - I'm glad to see you receiving so many supportive comments with the donations.

Pronounbegone · 15/11/2024 07:51

All the lift stuff reminds me of that awful Australian campaign that wanted women to ignore all their instincts. Maybe the council is taking guidance from there as well as US.
https://www.vic.gov.au/media/977575

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The unsaid says a lot - Elevator scene (15 seconds)

https://www.vic.gov.au/media/977575

NoBinturongsHereMate · 15/11/2024 08:07

The Executive Director specifically sent out an email expressing strong support of the pride progress flag due to “a complaint” (mine) and how disappointed he was that a staff member dared complain.

Alongside the lift comment that's not just handing Naomi Cunniningham a pile of Xmas presents, it's gift wrapping them!

Not at all surprised at the wholesale lifting of text from US sources - so many of them do.

Boiledbeetle · 15/11/2024 10:27

85% of the way there!

New Crowdfunder!
Sartay · 15/11/2024 10:42

itsmylife7 · 15/11/2024 00:16

are you on twitter ×

Yes sartay2001 on Twitter

Sartay · 15/11/2024 10:43

NoBinturongsHereMate · 15/11/2024 08:07

The Executive Director specifically sent out an email expressing strong support of the pride progress flag due to “a complaint” (mine) and how disappointed he was that a staff member dared complain.

Alongside the lift comment that's not just handing Naomi Cunniningham a pile of Xmas presents, it's gift wrapping them!

Not at all surprised at the wholesale lifting of text from US sources - so many of them do.

Yes, subsequently found out this is a similar “slip up” which Cambridgeshire Council did with the lovely Lizzy Pitt case.

Sartay · 15/11/2024 11:01

Iamnotalemming · 14/11/2024 18:11

Being sent for counselling sounds a lot like reframing your trauma.

Carrots planted. Good luck.

Yes that’s the way I took it..

bigdecisionstomake · 15/11/2024 11:17

Lovely spring bulbs planted - good luck.

ellenback21 · 15/11/2024 18:19

Bump