Interesting move from odessa texas

[Hoardasurass]

So a city in texas has passed a law that bans people from using the wrong facilities for their sex with a $500 fine for breaking it and private persons can sue the person for $10000.
I wonder if it'll work

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1850811128626241695

For heavens sake, I’M making this difficult to understand?

A woman wearing a ball cap and boots IN THE LADIES ROOM.

A teenage boy wearing nail varnish IN THE MEN’S ROOM

A man wearing a kurta IN THE MENS ROOM

You don’t think this law would be used by the small minded to discriminate against people whose ethnicity and lifestyle they don’t approve of? Really? It absolutely would be. And how do they check to make sure someone is in the right space?

Do you really think any of those people look more like the opposite sex than their actual sex?

For heavens sakes, @Pinkissmart what on earth are you talking about? Is this some silly way to pretend we can't tell sex? Why would anyone except dumb transactivists think a woman wearing baseball boots is really a man? A man wearing any form of skirt or dress or trousers or onesie should be in the men's facilities. Why would anyone question that? Or are you fantasising about genital inspections again? No one, not a one, needs or wants to look in a blokes pants to check if he's actually a girl.

No I don't. Perhaps some nasty people would make a complaint, but no, the "law" isn't going to fine any of those people.

Ideally I’d like to see male, female and gender neutral facilities for those that want them (although I suspect that’s not actually many) and laws that take seriously male violence, whether that’s towards women or towards transwomen.

If men are attacking transwomen there needs to be laws that are punitive enough to send a message that violence towards others is unacceptable. There also should be strong enough laws to punish men who assault women.

It’s not totally unworkable to have a solution that keeps everyone safe, whether it makes everyone happy or not, I suspect is a different matter.

I think it's a good move. It's about time women had some legal recourse to invading men. Shame it would never fly here.

There are a numbers of transwomen in the UK who have made a point of still using the male facilities.

This is because they recognise their sex even though they wish to have a different gender identity.

So when we have this rather stupid argument about 'true trans v fake trans', I'll simply ask why is gender even relevant when we are talking about sex based provision.

Why is it the responsibility of women to be nicer and not for men to be nicer?

Why is it that the argument that men are a threat to transwomen is acceptable but the argument that makes accessing the female facility is not acceptable?

Bottom line here: transwomen can use the male facilities. Why do they choose to use the women's which is known to increase risks to women because it in effect opens up access to all men whilst making it much harder for women to challenge and those who do challenge know they are at risk of being criminalised for doing so?

They are using women's facilities not merely for 'safety' reasons but more for validation reasons which is using the women themselves .

All of these points have been addressed and are irrelevant as they would be in the correct sexed space.
This law is about drawing a line in the sand and saying to everyone that single sex spaces are the norm and anyone business or individual who breaches this social norm by using the wrong sexed facilities will face legal consequences, small ones from the state and large ones from the (predominantly) women who suffered by the (usually) man illegally in their space

I’d be interested to see how this works in actuality, but pleased that it gives a firm basis on which providers can stipulate that loos are single sex only, and transgressors can be challenged.

No male should ever be in a female loo, no matter how they present or ‘identify’. Men should be more tolerant of those who are non-conforming and should expect to see trans women in male toilet facilities.

It is a stupid stupid law.
Of course women should have safe spaces, but I don’t for one minute think this law would be used fairly or exclusively how it is intended.

It will give member of the general public a stick to beat people who look different.

Do you frequently have difficulty telling the difference between men and women?

Right, before I go
@OldCrone yes, sometimes I do have difficulty telling men apart from women. Many young people choose to dress in a non stereotypical way. I’m not worried about my sensibilities though

@commonsense61 silly thing to say. If the law throws open interpretation to the general public, then there’s no doubt in my mind that it will be misused.

I can’t understand how people can think that trans identifying people are the only ones with bad intentions.

It's not being trans that is the issue. It's men (However they may identify) being in female single sex places that is the issue.

@Pinkissmart we don't think that transwomen are the only problem it's all males which is why all males including transwomen need to stay out of women's spaces, which is exactly what this law does. It doesn't matter how you try and twist it the only thing that this law does is say to men however they id or present stay out of women's spaces or suffer the legal consequences to your wallet. No shootings, no fines for choice of clothes just a $500 fine and being sued for $10000 plus crt costs and legal fees per woman in the facilities each time the man enters the women's facilities.
So yes I can see certain activists going bankrupt but other than that I doubt that it will cause any real problems for anyone as transwomen have use of the men's as is right as they remain men

Why would any bloke in the gents toilets look at another bloke dressed in a Kurta and think that's a woman?

Has the world truly gone that lala?

@Pinkissmart

If you genuinely have difficulty telling human males and females apart then you are very, very unusual. I'm sure a more knowledgeable poster than I am can post evidence that humans and women in particular can recognise sex a country mile away.

As for "Many young people choose to dress in a non-stereotypical way". I'm old enough to remember Glam Rock, Punk, Goths, New Romantics etc, etc and I've never had any problem telling boys from girls or men from women even if they're dressed identically. I see faux punk seems to be coming back around, plus ca change and all that.

If males stayed out of female spaces/services it wouldn't be necessary to legislate,but unfortunately they don't.

Yes, we can blame this move on those people who have pushed for males with special gender identities to be allowed to use women's spaces. If men, regardless of any special gender feelings they claim to have, had been content to stay out of women's spaces, there would be no need for laws like this.

No. Poster is pretending no one can tell who is 'trans'.

Does ANYONE say that trans identified people are the only ones with bad intentions? I've never heard such a thing. I HAVE seen the stats that show throughout the UK, US and Canada the male ones are 5 x more likely to be incarcerated for predatory sex crimes than other male prisoners, which certainly would lean towards agreeing with that idea, but the ONLY ones? Not at all.

I can't see what the issue would be regarding enforceability. Most Americans carry a driving licence with them outdoors, and anyone without ID that on the face of it has broken the rule can be obliged to produce their ID document within a set number of days to their local police station. If a person has breached the rules then the authorities can be called to deal with it just like with every single other law.

Hurrah for Texas!

We cannot trust men to keep out of the female toilets or to keep each other out of the female toilets, so the next step in order to try and sort this shitshow out would indeed be to make it illegal and fine people.

This isn't about women in male toilets, lets face it.