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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Wes Streeting backs the Darlington nurses

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Zahariel · 27/10/2024 20:13

https://x.com/CConcern/status/1850476023986401648

”BREAKING: The Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, Wes Streeting, has this week met with the Darlington nurses and said he is committed to the belief that sex is biological being reflected in the day-to-day running of the NHS under his watch. The nurses, who are being supported by the Christian Legal Centre, also handed in a CitizenGo petition signed by 48,000 people to Number 10 Downing Street calling for the government to do whatever is necessary to ensure women have access to single-sex changing rooms and toilets. The meeting followed a statement Mr Streeting made in the lead up to the General Election in June when he said on X/Twitter that he was ‘horrified’ by their case and wanted to meet. Mr Streeting gave the response after the nurses launched legal action against County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust over being forced to share a changing room with a man identifying as a woman. Darlington nurse, and President of the DNU, Bethany Hutchison, said: “We were nervous going into the meeting, but he put us at ease, gave us time and listened, which was encouraging. We now, however, need to see firm action from Wes and a clear consensus from the government and the NHS on these issues. “Sadly, we continue to be treated appallingly by the Trust. The policy they have in place is putting women at risk and is open to abuse and should be changed urgently. We have been shocked, however, to find that the ‘rights’ of a man identifying as a woman continue to be supported and promoted, while ours as women have been ignored and even pushed out. “We are not doing this just for nurses. We are doing this for women across the country, for example those who are working in the police force, but also for sisters, daughters and mothers everywhere.”

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Snowypeaks · 21/01/2025 11:16

Right to privacy, eh? Hopefully the decision of the judge in the similar Fife case not to protect anonymity will influence the judge in this case.

teawamutu · 21/01/2025 19:20

Interesting that the nurses' counsel is very clear on how 'he' doesn't seem intimidated.

Also, 'Rose' seems to think the tra playbook is actually a rule book. FAFO, hopefully.

HerImpeccableRightnessLoobiJee · 22/01/2025 17:11

Justme56 · 21/01/2025 11:09

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but there was a preliminary hearing yesterday. They have applied for an order to not release Rose’s surname, Rose doesn’t have a GRC and the Counsel suggests some confrontational behaviour by Rose towards the nurses since proceedings have begun.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/20/trans-nurse-changing-room-row-intimidated-darlington-rose/

They have applied for an order to not release Rose’s surname, Rose doesn’t have a GRC

Funny how the biological + legal males who are demanding the removal of women’s right to the privacy and dignity of single-sex female-only male-free spaces when in a state of undress in the workplace suddenly start claiming a belief in the right to privacy - but only for themselves - once they are faced with the prospect of being forced to have the courage of their convictions by putting their name to their demand for workplace access to female employees in a state of undress.

Datun · 22/01/2025 17:40

HerImpeccableRightnessLoobiJee · 22/01/2025 17:11

They have applied for an order to not release Rose’s surname, Rose doesn’t have a GRC

Funny how the biological + legal males who are demanding the removal of women’s right to the privacy and dignity of single-sex female-only male-free spaces when in a state of undress in the workplace suddenly start claiming a belief in the right to privacy - but only for themselves - once they are faced with the prospect of being forced to have the courage of their convictions by putting their name to their demand for workplace access to female employees in a state of undress.

Quite. The hypocrisy is fucking spectacular.

You can't be private, but I can if you tell anyone.

I really hope the judge sees the quite deafening double standards.

Notaflippinclue · 24/01/2025 20:25

Rose Bush not

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 24/01/2025 20:26

HerImpeccableRightnessLoobiJee · 22/01/2025 17:11

They have applied for an order to not release Rose’s surname, Rose doesn’t have a GRC

Funny how the biological + legal males who are demanding the removal of women’s right to the privacy and dignity of single-sex female-only male-free spaces when in a state of undress in the workplace suddenly start claiming a belief in the right to privacy - but only for themselves - once they are faced with the prospect of being forced to have the courage of their convictions by putting their name to their demand for workplace access to female employees in a state of undress.

This. It couldn't make it more obvious that they don't think women deserve any rights at all.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 24/01/2025 20:27

Honestly if the judge allows this man invading women's private spaces to have anonymity then they need to be recused because the double standards are so egregious and they have shown themselves to have huge bias.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 24/01/2025 20:31

Just read the article - fucks sake Telegraph - what does 'living as a woman' actually mean? It means donning a dress doesn't it? So depressingly sexist. Clothes aren't the critical factor in being a woman! I only wear trousers.

Because Rose's behaviour is much more that of an aggressive, entitled, abusive male. So not really behaving like most women.

DuesToTheDirt · 24/01/2025 20:40

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 24/01/2025 20:31

Just read the article - fucks sake Telegraph - what does 'living as a woman' actually mean? It means donning a dress doesn't it? So depressingly sexist. Clothes aren't the critical factor in being a woman! I only wear trousers.

Because Rose's behaviour is much more that of an aggressive, entitled, abusive male. So not really behaving like most women.

I imagine "lives as a woman" means wears dresses, uses female facilities, expects to be called "she", uses a female name...

I'm pretty sure it won't mean: does most of the chores and the life admin, does the school run, is the default carer for children and sick parents, earns less than a man in a similar job, possibly suffers from painful periods, menopause etc., gets mansplained to, is ignored in meetings...

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 24/01/2025 21:57

DuesToTheDirt · 24/01/2025 20:40

I imagine "lives as a woman" means wears dresses, uses female facilities, expects to be called "she", uses a female name...

I'm pretty sure it won't mean: does most of the chores and the life admin, does the school run, is the default carer for children and sick parents, earns less than a man in a similar job, possibly suffers from painful periods, menopause etc., gets mansplained to, is ignored in meetings...

It's so tempting to try a bit of mansplaining, but even I can see that you've done all the explaining necessary!

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 24/01/2025 23:51

DuesToTheDirt · 24/01/2025 20:40

I imagine "lives as a woman" means wears dresses, uses female facilities, expects to be called "she", uses a female name...

I'm pretty sure it won't mean: does most of the chores and the life admin, does the school run, is the default carer for children and sick parents, earns less than a man in a similar job, possibly suffers from painful periods, menopause etc., gets mansplained to, is ignored in meetings...

Is expected to put up with sexual aggression and sexual harassment in the workplace if the man is pretending to be a woman...

If it wasn't completely bloody obvious just from a glance, then it'd be obvious who the man was by the double standards in the way two nurses are treated. Total capitulation to men feelings but women forced, against their will, to put up with risk of sexual assault, voyeurism, lack of privacy and dignity and coerced into pretending they don't recognise biological reality when it's staring them in the face. Which isn't at all reassuring in a medical setting. Who the hell would want to be treated by this man? He thinks biological reality is optional.

DuesToTheDirt · 25/01/2025 09:46

@RapidOnsetGenderCritic @themostspecialelfintheworkshop and childbirth, how could I forget childbirth!

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 25/01/2025 11:06

DuesToTheDirt · 25/01/2025 09:46

@RapidOnsetGenderCritic @themostspecialelfintheworkshop and childbirth, how could I forget childbirth!

Yes, and post childbirth complications / health issues - which can be for life. Breastfeeding difficulties and complications all while being told you can't take a paracetamol in case it affects the baby.

Snowypeaks · 25/01/2025 11:07

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 25/01/2025 11:06

Yes, and post childbirth complications / health issues - which can be for life. Breastfeeding difficulties and complications all while being told you can't take a paracetamol in case it affects the baby.

Not even paracetamol? Bloody hell!

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 25/01/2025 11:28

Snowypeaks · 25/01/2025 11:07

Not even paracetamol? Bloody hell!

To be fair that was interfering (but not helping) relatives not medical professionals; don't get me started on the medical professionals who told me to stop breastfeeding cold turkey when taking an antibiotic actually given to prem babies though....

lcakethereforeIam · 25/01/2025 20:08

Snowypeaks · 25/01/2025 11:07

Not even paracetamol? Bloody hell!

Couldn't even take ginger tablets to try to deal with the awful nausea I had when pregnant. Said on the packaging to avoid when pregnant. Nearly cried in the queue at Holland & Barratt. That's something else men will never experience.

JanesLittleGirl · 25/01/2025 22:01

I was allowed ibuprofen after a C-section because I was breastfeeding. Nothing that would actually alleviate the pain.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 26/01/2025 16:38

JanesLittleGirl · 25/01/2025 22:01

I was allowed ibuprofen after a C-section because I was breastfeeding. Nothing that would actually alleviate the pain.

That's just barbaric. I got codeine at least.

BettyFilous · 26/01/2025 17:25

Paracetamol only after my first c-section. I asked for something stronger after my second and got it. I’m happy to be corrected by any passing medics, but I’d be surprised if there are any other major abdominal surgeries where you’re expected to start 24/7 childcare <12 hours post-op with only paracetamol to manage your pain.

SmudgeHughes · 26/01/2025 19:11

Zahariel · 27/10/2024 20:13

https://x.com/CConcern/status/1850476023986401648

”BREAKING: The Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, Wes Streeting, has this week met with the Darlington nurses and said he is committed to the belief that sex is biological being reflected in the day-to-day running of the NHS under his watch. The nurses, who are being supported by the Christian Legal Centre, also handed in a CitizenGo petition signed by 48,000 people to Number 10 Downing Street calling for the government to do whatever is necessary to ensure women have access to single-sex changing rooms and toilets. The meeting followed a statement Mr Streeting made in the lead up to the General Election in June when he said on X/Twitter that he was ‘horrified’ by their case and wanted to meet. Mr Streeting gave the response after the nurses launched legal action against County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust over being forced to share a changing room with a man identifying as a woman. Darlington nurse, and President of the DNU, Bethany Hutchison, said: “We were nervous going into the meeting, but he put us at ease, gave us time and listened, which was encouraging. We now, however, need to see firm action from Wes and a clear consensus from the government and the NHS on these issues. “Sadly, we continue to be treated appallingly by the Trust. The policy they have in place is putting women at risk and is open to abuse and should be changed urgently. We have been shocked, however, to find that the ‘rights’ of a man identifying as a woman continue to be supported and promoted, while ours as women have been ignored and even pushed out. “We are not doing this just for nurses. We are doing this for women across the country, for example those who are working in the police force, but also for sisters, daughters and mothers everywhere.”

Employment tribunals in Edinburgh and Newcastle this week both heard arguments from NHS trusts looking to force female employees to call trans-identifying men they are accusing of sexual harassment “she” in court.

NHS Fife sought to ban nurse Sandie Peggie from using ordinary language when referring to a male doctor, Beth Upton, in her complaint against the doctor and NHS Fife. Peggie was suspended and investigated by her employer after she objected to Upton’s presence in female changing rooms at Victoria Hospital, Kirkcaldy.

Her legal team insist that accurate language is central to her case.

Meanwhile nurses in Darlington also faced a legal attempt to place reporting restrictions on their case, and force them to use preferred pronouns in court.

The Judicial Office has reminded judges that the Equal Treatment Bench Book in England in Wales was updated after the Forstater case, and other gender-critical cases. It now makes clear that in some cases “it may not be appropriate, or may even be extremely inappropriate”, for the judge to use a defendant’s preferred pronouns – for example, in cases of violent or sexual crimes by a transgender perpetrator.

Hoardasurass · 27/02/2025 16:00

Oh dear another public naming and shaming
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/27/nurses-win-battle-name-trans-colleague-in-changing-room/

LizzieSiddal · 27/02/2025 16:08

Hoardasurass · 27/02/2025 16:00

Oh dear, what a shame.

Jerabilis · 27/02/2025 16:29

https://telegraph.co.uk/gift/e1ae18b691c5aaa2

Share token for those who need it. It does feel like the Telegraph are getting bolder about using correct sex pronouns, even if only in quotes.

Thought this bit was particularly interesting:

Judge Langridge last week ruled that “no specific instances of the ‘horrible comments’ are set out in the witness statement, and no particular events are identified in support of the feeling of being at risk”.

Another man whose fantasies about being a marginalised victim are coming into conflict with reality?

JazzyJelly · 27/02/2025 16:42

Thank you for the share token @Jerabilis!

Those comments below the article are not in the poor vulnerable penis person's favour.

Paddleboardsandironingboards · 27/02/2025 16:50

Its disappointing that the counsel for the Darlington nurses is an anti abortion activist, and is from the CLC, which is a deeply troubling organisation.

I'm fully supportive of the nurses, but wish it was Ben Cooper or Naomi Cunningham taking the case.

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