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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Teacher struck for posting online 'Where I teach the trans kids are untouchable'

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IwantToRetire · 23/10/2024 18:50

A teacher has been struck off after ridiculing her school's gender identity policy and posting transphobic comments online.

Camilla Hannan, 54, posted offensive remarks including 'where I teach the trans kids are untouchable' while working at the school in Manchester.

The teacher, who had been employed at the school since 2001, also wrote of trans students: 'They get everything they ask for and everyone, staff and other students alike, is petrified of upsetting them. They don't seem oppressed to me more like oppressors tbh.'

Hannan admitted all the allegations against her and accepted they amounted to unacceptable professional conduct.

A Teaching Regulation Agency misconduct hearing said the behaviour demonstrated a lack of tolerance and respect for the rights and beliefs of others.

More at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13988139/Teacher-struck-school-gender-identity-trans.html

Teacher struck off after ridiculing school's gender identity policy

Camilla Hannan, 54, posted offensive comments including 'where I teach the trans kids are untouchable' while working at the school in Manchester.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13988139/Teacher-struck-school-gender-identity-trans.html

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FreedomDogs · 23/10/2024 18:59

Not a very professional thing to post on social media about children in your care, regardless of your beliefs.

PinkFrogss · 23/10/2024 19:01

How locked down was her social media?

PinkFrogss · 23/10/2024 19:04

I’d also be interested to know what word has been redacted from the below:

’The autistic/ASD (redacted) I teach are all plastered with trans flags and badges, without exception.'

if anyone has another source with the full tweet

Plasmodesmata · 23/10/2024 19:05

The article makes it sound like she mentioned particular pupil "pupil A".

That will be against the school's social media policy, as it should be.

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 19:08

PinkFrogss · 23/10/2024 19:04

I’d also be interested to know what word has been redacted from the below:

’The autistic/ASD (redacted) I teach are all plastered with trans flags and badges, without exception.'

if anyone has another source with the full tweet

Sounds less like it was gender critical and more a teacher ranting about her students, which isn't okay.

FreedomDogs · 23/10/2024 19:10

PinkFrogss · 23/10/2024 19:01

How locked down was her social media?

Doesn't matter from an employer's perspective- locked social media still has to abide by organisational social media policies as locked content can still be leaked (as this case reveals)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/10/2024 19:11

It does nobody any favours when employees breach their social media guidelines. She may be right about special treatment but you don't post identifiable information about a school or children online. If you do, then you face the consequences.

dummydummy · 23/10/2024 19:12

PinkFrogss · 23/10/2024 19:04

I’d also be interested to know what word has been redacted from the below:

’The autistic/ASD (redacted) I teach are all plastered with trans flags and badges, without exception.'

if anyone has another source with the full tweet

I wondered if the redacted word was "girls" as that could suggest it was an all girls school (when the school is meant to be anonymous)

Maddy70 · 23/10/2024 19:14

Well shes right to be. That's part of the teachers contract.

PinkFrogss · 23/10/2024 19:15

dummydummy · 23/10/2024 19:12

I wondered if the redacted word was "girls" as that could suggest it was an all girls school (when the school is meant to be anonymous)

Yes I think you’re right.

I found the following: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6718a26c38149ce9d09e3876/TRAT_MPO_Hannan_Camilla_SoS_decision_redacted__updated_.pdf

Seems like some of her ranting about students took quite a personal tone, rather than more general gender critical posts like Rachel Meade.

It also doesn’t appear to have been particularly well locked down, although she also wasn’t immediately identifiable from the posts interestingly.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6718a26c38149ce9d09e3876/TRAT_MPO_Hannan_Camilla_SoS_decision_redacted__updated_.pdf

SensibleSigma · 23/10/2024 19:15

It’s not acceptable to talk about students like that.

BarbaraHoward · 23/10/2024 19:15

She was found to have outed a student on social media, continually misgenderes a student (the same person?), and I think we can all guess some of the words that could have been redacted in the quote above.

Of course this person isn't suitable to be working as a teacher.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/10/2024 19:19

Massively unprofessional - she identified specific students.

I teach a [REDACTED] who has changed [REDACTED] pronouns to [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] name to [Pupil A]. I worry about what the next steps will be;

One of my [REDACTED] students is on [REDACTED]. [REDACTED] has become quite hyperactive and emotionally up and down. I worry for [REDACTED];

I think it makes clear they were [sex] [his/her pronouns] [her/his pronouns] [her/his pronoun] to [actual preferred name of student]

Then there's

The autistic/ASD [REDACTED] I teach are all plastered with trans flags and badges, without exception.

So anybody she teaches who is of one sex and is known to have a ASD diagnosis is therefore publicly being announced as trans, as confirmed later in the document

' In particular, Miss Hannan had revealed the identity of Pupil A via social media, and had also revealed sensitive medical information about Pupil A, and that this potentially exposed Pupil A to the risk of bullying'

'In particular, the panel found that Miss Hannan had a deep-seated attitude, and that, whilst she was entitled to have that attitude and hold the views that she did, it was not acceptable for her to have posted these on social media in a way that was damaging to the profession, the School, pupils and in particular Pupil A (who she had “outed” by name).'

She fully earned the striking off for that.

Signalbox · 23/10/2024 19:32

I was going to say erasure seems harsh but she didn't turn up to the hearing by the looks of things so it's not so surprising.

Signalbox · 23/10/2024 19:38

I'm not saying her behaviour overall is appropriate but the lack of defence has really seriously gone against her. Because she wasn't present or represented there doesn't appear to have been any consideration given to freedom of speech / expression.

Note: obviously outing a student online is completely unacceptable but I'm talking about some of the "offensive" posts.

Igmum · 23/10/2024 19:39

It's utterly unprofessional to name the children. I suspect she makes some good general points and if she'd stuck to that this might have been different but to name specific children on social media - no.

(That said I'm now very interested in which Manchester school she was at!)

DeanElderberry · 23/10/2024 19:52

I am squeamish about people who work in schools talking about the pupils (who are there because they have to be, not out of choice) as though they were exhibits or specimens. It indicates a very disrespectful mindset. See also Kate Clanchy.

IwantToRetire · 23/10/2024 20:15

Just to say I started this thread more as a cautionary tale.

Not that I dont doubt that posters on FWR aren't aware of professional standards, pupil privacy, etc.!

But have seen a few examples recently (on facebook) where some women with GC views sort of boast about how "assertive" they are in their workplace, including in one instance a school.

And a tendency to get lots of comments like "aren't you brave", "glad you are taking a stand", and so on. Lots of likes.

But as (fb) friends fail to caution that as in the instance of being a teacher, they need to stick to professional standards, etc. and could be putting their job on the line.

And in one instance has.

Which shows dont trust "friends" on facebook, come to FWR to get proper advice!

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BarbaraHoward · 23/10/2024 20:23

Surely any competent teacher doesn't need to be reminded that outing pupils on social media is a bad thing to do?

Boiledbeetle · 23/10/2024 20:32

A quick Google with her name school Manchester well tell you exactly what school she taught at.

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 20:34

Boiledbeetle · 23/10/2024 20:32

A quick Google with her name school Manchester well tell you exactly what school she taught at.

Perhaps best not to share this as it means the child can be identified?

Boiledbeetle · 23/10/2024 20:36

itwasnevermine · 23/10/2024 20:34

Perhaps best not to share this as it means the child can be identified?

To be fair it comes up on the first page just searching her name so....

Redshoeblueshoe · 23/10/2024 20:38

Boiled I was just about to say that. And yes it is a girls school

IwantToRetire · 23/10/2024 20:42

I was going to share a link from facebook where a few years ago a video was posted congratulating her for being a great teacher and wont name the famous Professor who made the video!

I am not trying to excuse her, but maybe having been there over 20 years, and given her subject, meant she hasn't quite get up with changing times. Including that whatever her idea of the world might have been 20 years ago, she couldn't still behave and react in a way that then might have gone unnoticed. Or in fact not even arisen.

I wonder if that is why she didn't put in a defence or turn up.

That a bit late, she has found out that the world has changed.

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