Teacher struck for posting online 'Where I teach the trans kids are untouchable'

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A teacher has been struck off after ridiculing her school's gender identity policy and posting transphobic comments online.

Camilla Hannan, 54, posted offensive remarks including 'where I teach the trans kids are untouchable' while working at the school in Manchester.

The teacher, who had been employed at the school since 2001, also wrote of trans students: 'They get everything they ask for and everyone, staff and other students alike, is petrified of upsetting them. They don't seem oppressed to me more like oppressors tbh.'

Hannan admitted all the allegations against her and accepted they amounted to unacceptable professional conduct.

A Teaching Regulation Agency misconduct hearing said the behaviour demonstrated a lack of tolerance and respect for the rights and beliefs of others.

More at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13988139/Teacher-struck-school-gender-identity-trans.html

Don't argue with these people, these are clearly the ones who financially support the worst of the worst humanity has to offer over on the Chris Chan Wiki farms.

@RedToothBrush yep, all of your comment (not quoted for brevity reasons).

Putting immigration to one side for a minute IME the families who are currently making the most effort to get their children into the more prestigious of the greater Manchester grammars/independents are extremely academically focussed and do not want their children distracted by extra curricular stuff unless they are the specific extra curriculars that augment academic success (eg chess or playing an instrument).

Those families do not want their children’s schools fannying about with proto activism, whether it be environmental or rainbow-themed. They have high expectations of their children and don’t easily fit into the imported US Intersectional narrative, so the Tumblrisation of Education fails to gain any purchase.

Of course, the most vulnerable of gender distressed kids (those in the foster care system and/or growing up in poverty) are extremely unlikely to to be in the fanciest grammars (the local FtM teen who died by suicide in an adolescent psychiatric unit went to the one truly terrible school in the whole of the borough).

Red, If you ever fancy meeting up for a coffee and an animated chat re: trans ideology and/or Trafford schools, send me a message!

I agree with a lot of that re: extra curricular stuff. And I think that there is a growing backlash against internet access full stop amongst parents. But this group are particularly strict so I think that will also start to filter through over the next few years. There is much more push back happening (especially since Briana Ghey somewhat ironically) more broadly. Unfortunately there are still a whole pile of parents I know who simply don't get that its not just about mobile phones but also the likes of youtube and gaming - they are fixated about the mobile phones and rather miss the point of just where the internet and social media communication exists and all their kids already have tablets which are not well monitored.

The other thing I find fascinating is that one of the issues with The Americanised Hierachy Of Oppression Theory, which transideology is very much part of, is that is really doesn't apply and have the same type of traction with uk based minorities. They aren't so much at the mercy of guilt politics and the US stuff has little to no relevance to their backgrounds.

And whilst you say about those most likely to be vulnerable being at less prestigious schools, these schools that are promoting these messages are really important in terms of creating the next wave of professionals that manage society. If the politics of guilt become less of a force thats interesting in its own right. I caution this by also saying about some cultures being more adverse to confrontations too (with particular reference to HK chinese), so whilst they might not necessarily like whats being said that doesn't necessarily mean they will challenge it either - because of leanings towards conformity.

By the same token, its fascinating to see that the British have lead the way in challenging genderism - we culturally have a profile which is more excepting of non-conformity anyway and we are habitually the awkward squad. Scandinavian cultures have tended to lean to nice and being kind as a rule, but are starting to have fall out from this not working in various ways as a society when faced with meeting different cultural attitudes to rules and rulebreaking. I highly recommend 'The Culture Map: Decoding How People Think, Lead, and Get Things Done Across Cultures' by Erin Meyer about dealing with different international cultures in business as giving a good understanding of these principles and why the matter and why we should really be talking about this outside stereotypes of racism. We have a variety of 'social cultures' WITHIN the uk and our regional/class system which aren't doing a good job of talking to each other and understanding each other which a lot of this applies equally too - which we know are being considered heavily for politics, but there still seems to be a queasiness about talking about it in terms of immigration even though we know that attititudes to work and education are connected to the ethos of immigration (why do you even decide to move to the UK in the first place) and these are cross generational.

I digress a lot here from the topic, but I think there's a lot here in terms of the longevity to genderism and resistance/promotion of genderism which going forward is useful to know and understand in terms of where the politics will head next. Labour already has an issue with Palestine / Israel and its Muslim voter base. Push too heavily on trans stuff and they will get push back from the same quarters. We are starting to see the emergence of politics based along this and I can only see this increasing with more educated people in positions of influence being from less white backgrounds. How that develops over the next 10 years or so, I think is liable to be one of the emerging trends. Independent type candidates across the board are on the rise due to disillusionment with the main parties and a feeling of top down imposed power versus proper grass roots activism (by that I don't mean numpties with grasshoppers).

Labour should read the room here - a lot more than they are.

Great post.

Unfortunately there are still a whole pile of parents I know who simply don't get that its not just about mobile phones but also the likes of youtube and gaming - they are fixated about the mobile phones and rather miss the point of just where the internet and social media communication exists and all their kids already have tablets which are not well monitored.

I have been tentatively commenting to this effect in the mobile phone conversations online with parents in school groups. Nothing has gained any traction yet.

Photo of a book in my "to read" pile ⬇️.... It might get moved to the top now! I'm currently reading Identity Crisis by Ben Elton (inspired by other threads) so maybe this one is next.

It is clear that there is a lot of skepticism here toward trans ideology. People who use expressions like "genderism" and "proto-activism" imply that discussions around gender identity are less serious or legitimate than other forms of activism, which shows a lack of respect for transgender individuals and their experiences.

The most recent posters emphasize academic achievement and traditional values at the expense of addressing the needs and rights of transgender students.
Is it really fair and logical to claim that challenging traditional gender norms somehow detracts from educational priorities?

The suggestion that trans ideology is irrelevant to UK minorities, along with the critique of “guilt politics, comes across as dismissive of the struggles that transgender individuals fact. It seems unfair and suggest a lack of empathy to invalidate their experiences and the stigma they encounter.

I think you have not followed the conversation of the impact to those around gender questioning children and the fact that you actually can't change sex no matter how much you want.

And the entire contents of the Cass Report which state that many trans identifying children are leaning into the ideology because of a whole range of issues - which don't remotely make them trans.

But yes, it's easy to smear MN as 'not understanding the issues' as if we are totally clueless and haven't been up close and know these kids. Because simple tropes are easier to follow than actually participate in a conversation about this subject and understand how politics works.

Some of us, are shock horror, not stupid or uneducated.

None of the genderists challenge gender norms, they are obsessed with upholding, even enforcing them. They might choose to adopt the gender norm associated with the sex they are not, but they do not challenge the norms at all, quite the contrary.

Which I find baffling, as I don't believe in gender, a disbelief I am legally entitled to.

I do think it is a waste if young people, at a time when their brains are quite plastic and able to absorb a lot of information, don't put that to good use acquiring a wide range of knowledge and skills rather than wasting it on introspection and ego-tickling. Parents who encourage them to concentrate on their academic work are being kind and responsible.

Which I find baffling, as I don't believe in gender, a disbelief I am legally entitled to

While you personally 'disbelieve' in gender as a meaningful concept, scientific and sociological research generally recognise gender as distinct from biological sex.
At some point, people who see gender and sex as the same and those who see them as different may simply need to agree to disagree

I also don't believe sociology is a science. A sometimes interesting area of academic study, speculation and theorising, sure, but not a science.

If gender ideologues perceive sex and gender as distinct categories why do we see the constant push for the blurring of sex and gender in policy and law. Why the need to have your sex marker changed on a birth certificate? Why so concerned about the term "sex" in the Equality Act being clarified to mean actual sex rather than sex via the legal fiction of a GRC? Why do so many TRAs claim that TW are AHF?

At some point, people who see gender and sex as the same and those who see them as different may simply need to agree to disagree

Is there anyone who sees gender (identity) and sex as the same? I'm not aware that there is.

There are genderists (those who believe we have a gender identity) who say that these things are different. There are also feminists and others (who challenge sex-based expectations and limitations) who say that these things are different.

The main difference between the two groups, as far as I can see, is that the first says that you can alter your body to match how you feel. The second says you can alter (challenge) the stereotypes themselves.

Exactly. But will there be an answer? It could be a long wait, as it always seems to be.

no way I’m clicking on a Daily Nail link, but from the excerpts quoted by others it sounds as if she was grossly unprofessional and inappropriate on social media. Not surprising at all that she was sacked.

There is no science that suggests “gender identity” exists or that “gender” is something internal a person experiences, rather than an externally imposed societal expectation around how men and women are supposed to act or be.

Scientists who have accepted the internalized experience model without proof are no different from those who believe in any other religious or neo-religious concepts.

This causes no end of frustration to those of us who are non-believers, or transphobes, as you’d probably call us. Transphobe is now widely used to mean heretic.

Indeed. I used to work in HR and on more than one occasion saw an employee 'grassed up' by a so called friend reporting them for content posted on SM that was only visible to friends. ,( not trans related)
People need to be very careful of who they befriend on SM.

Is there any suggestion this teacher posted a pupil’s name? From reading earlier posts, I have the impression that the pupil was referred to as Pupil A and that the pupil was identifable because who the teacher was (and thus the school) was identified.

If true, then the person who went through the teachers posts to find out who she was (if that is what happened) is at least as much to blame for the pupil’s identity being released as the teacher. Presumably prosecuting the teacher mattered more to them than protecting the pupil, which makes them two faced as well as uncaring.

The teacher is probably correct in what she says, schools are acting in this way. She is entitled to her views. However, posting comments on social media about your workplace is a an issue. I do not think she deserved to be struck off though and believe that she only struck off due to the issue she posted about. She is allowed opinions.

Gender as something separate from grammar was invented by sociologists in the 1980s. Gender identity is even newer - maybe 20 years. At the start of my adult life neither existed, even as an academic construct.

They still don't exist as concepts for most people in most of the world. They're an academic creation of the rich and privileged parts of the modern world.

Whereas very human who has ever existed, anywhere in the world, through all of history and prehistory, has had a biological sex, encoded within every cell of their body from the moment of conception, unchangeable, binary - possibly damaged but still within that binary. At times, that has had catastrophic consequences for the people whose bodies are female - look at Afghanistan right now. And no amount of theorising or fantasising about a concept called 'gender' can change that.

Change your society and its expectations if there are things wrong with it, not the only body you'll ever have.

She wasn't sacked, she resigned, and was reported to her professional body and then struck off.
You don't need to read the link to search up some info on the case.

This post is not accurate.

The concepts of gender as a social role and gender identity have been around far longer and are not restricted to wealthy, Western societies.

Many societies historically recognized gender diversity.

My post is entirely accurate. Sociologists invented 'gender' as a term for sex stereotypes (which are many, and various, and very culturally specific, and quite different in any given country from what they were 5 or 30 or 40 years ago) and started using the word in their log-rolling academic publications in the 1980s.

The brands of 'gender identity' they push at the moment are all about wealthy western societies. They even try to make them all about white wealthy western society.

Gender is not a thing. 'It' does not exist.

By proto-activism I was referring to children learning about activism in schools.

Sorry you didn’t understand that.

So strange that you are seemingly unable to understand that children are not the same as adults.

This is a misunderstanding of third gender societies. You are engaging in cultural colonisation. Stop that.

It's a recurrent them on here isn't it? Talking about children is immediately swerved to adult interests and issues with the allegation that those who state that children should be safeguarded from age inappropriate issues are somehow ignorant. That failing to accept that children must be taught that their bodies are flawed but a sex change will cure them, is a form of bigotry. And that self interested adults with a vested interest in promoting sex change for children should be elevated to the top of the knowledge tree unchallenged (a slightly more subtle version of #nodebate) .

Yes, it is shameful that that is still happening, after so many indigenous groups requesting it be stopped. It's like the endless attempts to drag people with DSDs in.

'gender identity' is a modern, western, culturally specific, rich-world construct