Teacher struck for posting online 'Where I teach the trans kids are untouchable'

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A teacher has been struck off after ridiculing her school's gender identity policy and posting transphobic comments online.

Camilla Hannan, 54, posted offensive remarks including 'where I teach the trans kids are untouchable' while working at the school in Manchester.

The teacher, who had been employed at the school since 2001, also wrote of trans students: 'They get everything they ask for and everyone, staff and other students alike, is petrified of upsetting them. They don't seem oppressed to me more like oppressors tbh.'

Hannan admitted all the allegations against her and accepted they amounted to unacceptable professional conduct.

A Teaching Regulation Agency misconduct hearing said the behaviour demonstrated a lack of tolerance and respect for the rights and beliefs of others.

More at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13988139/Teacher-struck-school-gender-identity-trans.html

No, sex is observed at birth not assigned.

But if a student transitioned or identified as a gender different from the one assigned at birth, she should respect their identity and the pronouns they prefer, even if it's an all-girls school and the teacher finds it difficult to accept/understand it.

Neither gender or sex is assigned at birth.

Gender questioning children must not be affirmed. See Cass Report.

This thread is full of the same nonsense this teacher faced, before she imploded.

The Cass Review advocates for careful, evidence-based approaches tailored to each child's needs, rather than immediate affirmation or denial of their identity.

Humans are unable to change sex. End of discussion.

Ah, if only biology and identity were as simple as that. Unfortunately, reality disagrees

Reality is a state of things as they actually exist as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. Not imagined, invented or theoretical.
Fact, truth, certainty.

Sure, the reality of chromosomes is important, but so are a host of other biological factors. It’s like looking at a cake and insisting it’s just flour—things are more complex than that.

But some people like it nice and simple

For some reason even though in the post 2 others quoted that i wasn't trying to excuse the teacher, then presumed to lecture me on the basis that i was excusing her.

To put it simply, I am saying that she may just have decided she didn't care.

That finding that somebody had reported her for a few tweets based against the years of teaching she had presumably been sucessful at, wasn't worth complying with a doctrine she doesn't subscribe to.

I dont have the information about where and how the comments on social media were made, whether they were under a psuedoname etc.. Was it a personal account. Was it on some shared school platform?

If as another post suggests there was only the mention of one pupil, presumably she could have tried to explain it away as a momentary lapse or something.

But clearly she couldn't be bothered, or couldn't bring herself to play the game she was meant to.

Nobody has said anything about pupils bullying her, but if you are working in a climate where only one side of the story is seen as being the one to side with, you might just shrug your shoulders and move on.

None of us know. She might be really unwell.

I do realise a pupil could have been really upset.

But equally, safeguarding isn't always about saying the pupils perspective if right. Individual pupils, let alone gangs of pupils, can be bullies, especially if someone is vulnerable.

Is there anything about what the school did to begin with when this first happened.

To have got to the stage of being struck off implies what? That the school tried to resovle it and she wouldn't co-operate with what they thought was the needed outcome of complaints.

Or the school having become aware of the tweets just went straight to the process of getting her struck off.

Was there anything in the media prior to this decision.

Sure, the reality of chromosomes is important, but so are a host of other biological factors. It’s like looking at a cake and insisting it’s just flour—things are more complex than that.

I didn't realise this thread was now about fairy tales.

Interestingly the Charity Commission has just made public its findings about Mermaid, amongst which is says Mermaid should stick to the Cass report etc..

They clearly dont think fairy storied should be the basis of decisions by grown ups.

Not forgetting that those who believe sex is a biological fact have the right to have their views respected, and so the school should have respected the right of the teacher to hold those views.

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Not forgetting that those who believe sex is a biological fact have the right to have their views respected, and so the school should have respected the right of the teacher to hold those views.

That is your opinion. I happen to agree with A Teaching Regulation Agency.

A Teaching Regulation Agency misconduct hearing said the behaviour demonstrated a lack of tolerance and respect for the rights and beliefs of others.

That is your opinion

Oh dear - more fairy tales.

A court case has decided that employers, ie the school, have to give EQUAL value to both beliefs.

ie in trying to enforce self identity beliefs but not sex based rights the school is at fault.

The school has failed to protect the teacher's beliefs which as court has ruled " are worthy of respect".

There should have been provision in the school for those who are none believers in trans ideology.

Not say that they are the problem for not adhering to a set of beliefs that aren't held universally at the expense of her own.

Schools should foster a culture of respect and inclusivity, protecting the rights of both teachers and pupils to ensure a harmonious working environment.

The teacher's tweets are indefensible and disrespectful, and in my view she wouldn't stand a chance if this goes to court

No teacher should be naming pupils on social media.

Apparently if your GC it's a free for all. Why should any rules apply to you?

Do you think girls schools are the appropriate education setting for pupils who don’t identify as girls but are biologically female?

If no, wouldn’t the best solution be for that child to move to a coed school?

if yes, congratulations! You are a terf.

None of this matters though. She slagged off her students, particularly those with additional needs and singled one of them out by identifying them. It doesn't particularly matter why or what drove her to it, you can't do that and expect to keep your job.

She was very wrong to air these grievances in a way that could identify her, her school, and especially the pupil.

But I must say I'm sympathetic to her frustration. I've come on mumsnet before with similar frustrations about things that go on at my school in service to transgender ideology, that I believe are not good for the pupils' wellbeing (both the trans identifying ones and their peers). It's deeply frustrating and upsetting.

However, the way I deal with my frustration is by talking to (the few) colleagues I trust about my concerns, and occasionally mentioning it anonymously on mumsnet for opinions and feedback and a reality check. There's just no benefit whatsoever in airing these frustrations online identifiably.

I'm also less sympathetic to the teacher in that part of her gripe seems to be how unquestioning affirmation makes her own job harder - rather than focusing on the harms to the children.

Like, suck it up. Our job is bloody hard anyway and there's always all sorts of new crap we have to do to add to our workload. Unquestioning transgender affirmation is harmful to children (in my strong opinion), which is a way bigger deal than how hard it makes her job

98% of the posts on this thread are highly critical of the teacher involved. A tiny number aren't.

Come on guys! Not 100%!! Therefore the whole of Mumsnet is transphobic! Only complete bowing down to the ideology will do!! So close!! But no cigar!!

The report is available online, you can just Google the teachers name to find it. It answers some of your questions OP - it was Twitter, under a pseudonym, for example. Someone whistleblew.

To have got to the stage of being struck off implies what?

I worked for a one of the HSC regulators until earlier this year and the fact she wasn’t represented, the fact she didn’t turn up will have given the committee no option other than to strike her off. This really may have had a very different outcome if she’d turned up and shown insight and remorse and if she’d had decent representation to challenge the TRA’s case especially on the points of what it is unacceptable to post of sm and what may fall under freedom of speech etc.

Committees hate cases where registrants are unrepresented because you only get a very one sided viewpoint and that will be reflected in the determination and you know that if you had heard anything from the other side things would very likely be different. It’s obviously the registrants fault because she will have had every opportunity to turn up with a lawyer but there is a reason why people pay 💰💰💰for decent representation because it can seriously affect the outcome of a case especially a case like this which involves speech and belief etc and regulators / committees have already gotten the law wrong on this issue.

It frustrating with these teacher cases that they often don’t appear to be represented. I wonder if that’s because teachers aren’t required to hold indemnity to work like healthcare workers are?

It says it was a “ former colleague” who linked the name she used on the tweets to a previous account , so a bit strange.

Gosh you're easily misled if you think that the comments here - most of them readily agreeing that the teacher's actions were wrong - 'confirm the quite shocking (to me) transphobia among Mumsnetters.'

It's like arriving in the middle of a discussion about global warming, and most of the posts were
'fossil fuels are a danger to the environment',
with a few saying 'yes but I'd be lost without my car and it runs on petrol'
and one or two saying 'I've had enough of the Green agenda being pushed on us by those Just Stop Oil nutters',
and it confirmed for you the quite shocking fact that Mumsnetters are all in favour of the destruction of humanity through global warming hastened by fossil fuels🙄

You need to have evidence before something is 'confirmed'.

and the pronouns they prefer

Why?

Not on social media of course. It would be/was foolish to do that......but teachers do talk to each other and their families about their experiences and views on teaching, on their pupils, on the workings of their school etc