Teacher struck for posting online 'Where I teach the trans kids are untouchable'

[IwantToRetire]

A teacher has been struck off after ridiculing her school's gender identity policy and posting transphobic comments online.

Camilla Hannan, 54, posted offensive remarks including 'where I teach the trans kids are untouchable' while working at the school in Manchester.

The teacher, who had been employed at the school since 2001, also wrote of trans students: 'They get everything they ask for and everyone, staff and other students alike, is petrified of upsetting them. They don't seem oppressed to me more like oppressors tbh.'

Hannan admitted all the allegations against her and accepted they amounted to unacceptable professional conduct.

A Teaching Regulation Agency misconduct hearing said the behaviour demonstrated a lack of tolerance and respect for the rights and beliefs of others.

More at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13988139/Teacher-struck-school-gender-identity-trans.html

https://www.oliverdrakefordtherapy.com/post/parentification-vs-adultification

I'm doing a lot of cross threading and referencing today but this link was posted on another thread and it seems appropriate to put it on this thread given how the conversation has gone.

The part I highlighted on that thread was the following:

What Are The Symptoms Of Adultification In Adults Who Were Adultified?
Some research has tracked the symptoms in adults,

Increased Mental Health Challenges: Adults who experienced adultification as children often face heightened mental health issues, including stress, anxiety, and depression. This is due to the early and excessive responsibilities they had to shoulder, often in emotionally and financially taxing environments.

Difficulty in Transitioning to Adult Roles: Those subject to adultification may struggle with the transition to traditional adult roles and responsibilities. Having taken on adult-like roles prematurely, they often find themselves unprepared for the complexities and demands of adult life, leading to potential difficulties in employment and personal relationships.

Challenges in Identity Formation: Adultification can disrupt the natural process of identity formation. Adults who were adultified as children might have a skewed perception of their roles and capabilities, which can lead to confusion and conflict in their personal and professional lives.

Increased Risk for Engaging in Risky Behaviors: In some cases, adultified individuals may engage in risky behaviors as a coping mechanism or due to a lack of appropriate guidance during critical developmental stages. This includes substance abuse or involvement in illegal activities.

Strained Family and Social Relationships: Adultification can lead to strained relationships in adulthood. These individuals might find it challenging to establish and maintain healthy relationships, as their early life experiences could have affected their ability to trust, communicate, and relate to others effectively.

And yet here we are trying to push stuff that kids don't really understand - precisely because they haven't got to that level of maturity - on all the kids.

If you have a particularly emotionally immature child, it's particularly difficult (say for example they are autistic).

It has no business being in primary age schools because of the potential issues including the ramifications for peers.

And it really shouldn't be in high schools below at least yr10 precisely because the kids mature at different rates.

And affirmation only isn't healthy in any respect.

If you want to explore your identity, post 16 is when you do it. At the earliest. Otherwise it's not being kind. It's setting up a bunch of kids for bigger problems.

So many posters are trying to bend the truth to fit their ideology.

Many cultures historically have not strictly equated biological sex with gender. Instead, they recognise that social roles, personal identities, and cultural understandings of gender can be distinct from biological characteristics.

It's really nothing new!

In these societies, gender is often seen as more fluid or complicated, with roles and identities that go beyond the male-female binary.

😂
I can't think of a single culture that hasn't known that only women give birth.
You can have all the identities / roles that you like - "gender fluid" and all the rest.

But sex is binary - always has been and always will be. And nobody should be trying to persuade children otherwise.

What did you think of the piece that RTB posted about the hazards of imposing these complex beliefs on children before they reach the level of maturity to unpick what's fantasy and what's factual?

Acknowledging the diversity of gender concepts across cultures is not inherently "cultural colonisation,"

Can you point out where exactly I engaged in "cultural colonisation"?

Which societies are these? Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us with our inferior knowledge rather than generalisations so vague that no one can compare.

Are they otherwise very sexist societies?

And in these societies who does the job of breast feeding and giving birth?

Sex is still not gender.

You can't change sex. Its not ideological to say this.

If you're trying to say that in almost all cultures it has been and is recognised that the universal sexed binary of human biology does not have to limit or define how individual humans look or present or behave, of course that's true.

Exceptions at the moment include the Taliban effectively trying to wipe out women, and the Iranians forcing same-sex attracted men to chose between castration and 'gender change' or death.

But those are extreme, and demonstrate why the obsession with complying with gender stereotypes displayed by the genderists is so ludicrous. The fact that they don't link the sex to the stereotype being conformed to is a side issue - it's the belief that those stereotypes are in some way inevitable. and the obsession with everyone having to conform to one or the the other that is at once naive and dangerous.

The idea that 'girls dress and wear their hair this way' and 'boys dress and wear their hair that way' is ridiculous.

No sympathy with her.

Slight tangent to this remark on cultures and gender concepts but this thread has useful material:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4355801-Economist-article-about-South-Asias-non-binary-communities

Linked within it, Yeye Luisah Teish offers her thoughts on Rainbow imperialism and the misunderstanding of Yoruba culture.

Claiming that any society before1980, or not in the anglosphere (for example native North Americans and Polynesians), had a concept of 'gender' is cultural colonisation.

As indigenous people worldwide point out repeatedly.

So many posters are trying to bend the truth to fit their ideology.

Real time demonstration of ‘projection’ just dropped!

I acknowledge that there may be risks to children but I also recognise that many children who identify as transgender do not view their bodies as flawed but rather seek affirmation of their identity.

what is identity?

how does one 'affirm' it?

Beyond the basic 'hello, how are you, what do you think of the weather, done anything interesting lately?' that is normal human interaction.

Interesting video.

Many countries in Africa, have strong cultural and religious beliefs regarding gender and sexuality. In this context the push for Western-style politics can be viewed as neocolonialism.

But conversations about gender and sexuality are increasingly global and collaborative. Activists and scholars from diverse backgrounds are collaborating and engaging in dialogue that can lead to shared understanding.

I think it would be fair to draw comparisons between the current discourse on gender politics and how homosexuality was historically perceived, especially regarding cultural beliefs, colonial histories, and global activism.

You're making 'global and collaborative' sound very neocolonial.

Very 'top down' - do as westerners tell you, reject your own cultural history and tradition, it's backward and primitive, adopt our habits and buy our stuff.

And we still haven't got an example of one of these many societies.

What do you think society should do about these risks to children? Because for most of us, the priority is to safeguard children from age these age inappropriate beliefs, from believing that their bodies are flawed but drugs and brutal experimental surgery is the cure
Children should not be identifying as transgender. Children should be growing and maturing in their families and communities, developing their identities as learners, family members, friends, through hobbies, sports, the arts and the world around them. No child benefits from seeking an early "affirmation of their identity" (whatever that means).
Children must be free to explore their emerging personality and interests as they grow. Pretending that they can become the opposite sex is a terrible lie being visited on children and young people who have yet to mature and develop the insight, skills and confidence to fully evaluate lies, fantasies and dangerous beliefs.

Personality is key. I'd never have thought I'd look back fondly on people doing Myers Briggs tests to find out what their personality was, but it seems downright subtle and insightful compared with 'identity'.

Children should not be identifying as transgender. Children should be growing and maturing in their families and communities, developing their identities as learners, family members, friends, through hobbies, sports, the arts and the world around them

Agreed. From childhood through to the difficult years of adolesence, where it inevitably gets harder.

This is a long and very to thoughtfully written piece about how the age-old teenage angst and search for a "tribe" has been reconfigured as a result of gender identity belief:

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/cp/150776488

"I acknowledge there are risks to children but I don't give a shit about all children. I just am bothered about the children who match my beliefs. The rest can be sacrificed without further thoughts or consideration despite the findings of various studies and reports which suggests levels of desistance are exceptionally high. I don't give a shit about concerns that gay children, autistic children, children with a history of abuse or children from broken homes are massively over represented thus giving Cass particular cause for concern over the role of parents. Nor do I want to consider joining the dots about a decrease in anorexia and the fact that the children regarded most at risk from that, have a very similar profile. I don't think we should be considering the impact of social contagion despite our depth of knowledge about it for anorexia and in very distressed teens with mental health problems. Instead I think we should charge ahead and affirm everyone because 'thats the kind thing to do' and all of you are meanies who hate children. And I can't possibly grasp that 'the other side' might be just as kind but understand and analyse the risks that I have just fully acknowledged but dismissed in a single sentence. It is beyond me to sit down and give consideration as to how we might determine the difference between likely desisters and the minority who might persist. It is beyond me to give consideration to the psychological impact on other children in the orbit of this. And it is beyond me to consider why a failure to be honest about how you can't change sex and how this continues to be an issue after persistence might harm those who do carry on identifying as the opposite sex. All I want is my virtue signalling good ally badge to prove to the rest of the world I am a good person. Give me my validation, it's more important than safeguarding".

repeatedly intentionally misgendering a teenager

Or in plain English, using correct pronouns for the teenager’s sex.

Colluding with a child’s delusion is not kind or helpful. I understand why employees in a genderist-compliant workplace do it, as you would under any regime which inflicts harsh punishment on dissidents. But those of us who aren’t at risk should not pretend to believe the dogma.

I agree this teacher should have restrained her outpouring on social media. But she must have been at the end of her tether. After decades of devotion to teaching, she’s now forced to pretend she believes humans can change sex. It would drive me mad.

@BonfireLady
Your link contains the best article I have ever read. So long but worth a sit down with a coffee.
It really deserves a thread of its own and I just wish that it could be widely read.

The U.S makes a profession out of exporting its cultural products, effects and maladies and then trying to convince the recipients that they're actually home grown.This diversity of background you speak of is not a real diversity at all. It is mainly rooted in U.S campus post modernitic theories of self - which the rest of the world does not relate to. Even using words such as 'discourse' reveals the inherent bias.

Isn't it excellent? Wide ranging and joining up so many dots.