Gisele Pelicot defendants described

[theDudesmummy]

This is a depressing but instructive read. A common theme seems to be that the men claim they just didn't bother to think. And that they "didn't know" or didn't understand about the concept of consent. Is that just what they say, or a true reflection?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/23/a-soldier-a-nurse-a-lorry-driver-and-dozens-more-who-are-the-men-accused-over-and-assault-of-gisele-pelicot?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Here's a couple of links:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4484276/

https://jimhopper.com/topics/sexual-assault-and-the-brain/repeat-rape-by-college-men/

I haven't seen anything as high as 1 in 3, but 5 to 15% of men will admit having committed an act that meets the legal (I assume in the US) definition of rape, if you ask the right question. And much higher for sexual assault.

One more: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4589177/

Of the sample, 33% (n = 113) reported that they had perpetrated some form of sexual assault. The most serious sexual assault described by 15% (n = 51) of the total sample involved sexual contact: for 10% (n = 34), it was coerced sexual intercourse; for 3% (n = 9), it was attempted rape; and 5% (n = 19) had perpetrated an act that met the standard legal definition of rape. The attempted and completed rape groups were combined (n = 28) for the analyses reported in this article, both because attempted rape is considered legally to be a form of rape and because of the relatively small number of men in the attempted rape group. Of the men who reported that they had committed a sexual assault, 78% acknowledged committing more than one (mdn = 4).

As 'actually did it' figures, those are possibly even more depressing than the 1 in 3. At least that was a theoretical 'Would you if you absolutely knew you'd get away with it without consequences?' - so you'd hope in reality a fair number would be held back by fear of being caught if not by morality.

I've been avoiding quite a few stories lately, for the exact same reason. Just when you thought the scales had really fallen, you realise it's only the first of half a dozen layers.

It's not a single moment of "Greer was right", it's a cascade of moments, one after another an endless flood of appalled revelation. My chest feels tight and I feel sick.

I work mostly with men and I'm looking at each one of them thinking "what about you? what would you do to me if there was no HR and no police?"

The lesbian separatists who made their own Womyn's Lands had the right idea.

I work mostly with men and I'm looking at each one of them thinking "what about you? what would you do to me if there was no HR and no police?"

I've been doing the same. NAMALT is looking less and less tenable.

Thank you.

Me too. Everywhere I go, I wonder if the men around me would do this.

Sentencing tomorrow... i wish there was a place to meet in solidarity.

Dominic Pelicot guilty of rape, but also of filming the other men he invited to rape Giselle , as well as of filming his daughter

Excerpts from the Times’ live coverage and updates:

Dominique Pelicot has been found guilty of all charges — including aggravated rape, drugging his ex-wife and invasion of privacy.

He is also found guilty of the attempted aggravated rape of the wife of one of the co-accused and taking indecent images of his daughter, Caroline, and his daughters-in-law, Aurore and Celine.

All of the 50 other defendants on trial have been found guilty of either rape or sexual assault

I only wish his term was longer, but I do realise this is the maximum available (the law is an ass).
Glad justice has prevailed for all of the others too.

I've just been reading the reporting on sentencing in the BBC. I'm was surprised to find myself becoming a bit tearful.

I hope Gisèle and her family have a happy and healing Christmas and New Year.

Almost all of aggravated rape, and some of additional charges.

Hard from a UK persective to see how it could have been otherwise, but with French law I was worried.

I'm relieved. As 'consent', we've been told, isn't featured in French law and the men claiming they truly believed they had consent (because of what her husband told them) I wouldn't have been surprised if some of them had been found not guilty.

I expect some will appeal.

Now that the husband, and all the 50 defendants have been found guilty, will their names be published?

Yes. This thread has most of them: https://x.com/vicderbyshire/status/1869673907696877671?

It doesnt list sentences, which ranged from 3 to 15 years.

This Telegraph article also has all the names and short bios, but it was published yesterday so it doesn't have the sentences

https://archive.ph/Nhzv9 this link will take you past the paywall

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/18/gisele-pelicot-trial-all-the-men-mazan-affair/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/23/a-soldier-a-nurse-a-lorry-driver-and-dozens-more-who-are-the-men-accused-over-and-assault-of-gisele-pelicot?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

They are doing it again, listing why the poor men had excuses!

Outraged

How the hell can some of these men's partners stand by them??

5PM r4 news noting that French media aren't really dwelling on this story. They've moved onto other things, and is this just the media not considering this in the way the UK and US media have

The French media ignoring this is an example of powerful men protecting patriarchy.

Janice Turner has written a follow up article

https://archive.ph/Z1NQb

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/janice-turner-pelicot-trial-tm35z7x0v

Another Times article written from the male perspective

https://archive.ph/XvfcZ

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/pelicot-trial-mens-view-rmkl0r05j

I'm impressed he managed to type anything while clutching all those straws.

Top name checking of wah Valerie Solanas.

There it is, they did it because they could

6 of the rapists have walked free already, having served time in what France 24 describes as (iirc) "preliminary detention" ( remand?).

One of their lawyers taunted the women protesting outside that his client was free