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Women's Equality Party and Chris Kaba

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HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 22/10/2024 20:56

Tweets yesterday and today lamenting Kaba's death.

This was a violent criminal who was subject to a restraining order from his then-pregnant girlfriend.

Why are WEP tweeting in support of him?

https://x.com/WEP_UK/status/1848648576710107247

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larklane17 · 24/10/2024 15:59

username1589
You didn't say it was your personal opinion of WEP's actions though did you?
Further, I observed that it was more than reasonable for FWR members to express their views about WEP. Nowhere did I purport to represent FWR. You had to invent that bit didn't you?

Your remark about carry on in your echo chamber sort of gives your game away though. The WEP picked the wrong horse to back with Kaba. Perhaps you could raise it at the next meeting.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/10/2024 16:08

larklane17 · 24/10/2024 15:07

The WEP posted a Tweet on the Kaba case in order to highlight racism in the Met.
Are you a member of WEP? Or a self-elected spokesperson?

My view is that the WEP tried to leap on a bandwagon to make themselves look good. That's it. No fact checking. Purely to keep themselves relevant. It's backfired on them.

The WEP has no substantial history of solid campaigning for women who are also black or brown. They've a picture of the Biba and Nicole demonstration on their website. WEP were not at the forefront of that at all, but using their images. Shameful.

It's all about WEP and virtue signalling. Not about hard grassroots graft. Nothing about women and girls caught up in these gangs and how to help them, nor the women exploited and abused by the likes of Kaba and his associates. Nothing about the Africans in London persecuted by them, nor the black run businesses handing over protection money to them.

Sound bites and tokenism with the WEP. I'm incredibly disappointed in them. I looked at their website to see what reports/ in depth research they've done. Tumbleweed. All mouth and no deeds. They couldn't organise their way out of a paper bag in support of women.

Of course institutional racism needs rooting out in the Met still. Decades on from the MacPherson review it's still there, festering, along with misogyny and misogynoir. There are plenty of examples. Kaba's death is not one of them.
It's all unsubstantiated rhetoric, with an invented saintly background for him, and contempt for a jury of twelve members of the public. Twelve ordinary people unknown to each other or the officer. A jury privy to more information during the weeks of the trial, than anyone posting here disagreeing with their verdict.

It's more than reasonable for members of FWR to question why the WEP are so keen to bandwagon a man with a history of violence ( including his former pregnant partner) when there are many issues affecting women, including because of their ethnicity, which the WEP could have been raising awareness around.

Criticising the WEP for a knee jerk sound bite, based on untruths, in supporting a violent male criminal,whilst ignoring the many struggles of women black and brown, as highlighted upthread, is NOT sealioning on the FWR board. It's fair comment.

A cracking post, pertinent to the OP, completely nailing all the issues and sealioning allegations.
Oddly enough it seems to have generated a flounce 😂

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 24/10/2024 16:10

larklane17 · 24/10/2024 15:07

The WEP posted a Tweet on the Kaba case in order to highlight racism in the Met.
Are you a member of WEP? Or a self-elected spokesperson?

My view is that the WEP tried to leap on a bandwagon to make themselves look good. That's it. No fact checking. Purely to keep themselves relevant. It's backfired on them.

The WEP has no substantial history of solid campaigning for women who are also black or brown. They've a picture of the Biba and Nicole demonstration on their website. WEP were not at the forefront of that at all, but using their images. Shameful.

It's all about WEP and virtue signalling. Not about hard grassroots graft. Nothing about women and girls caught up in these gangs and how to help them, nor the women exploited and abused by the likes of Kaba and his associates. Nothing about the Africans in London persecuted by them, nor the black run businesses handing over protection money to them.

Sound bites and tokenism with the WEP. I'm incredibly disappointed in them. I looked at their website to see what reports/ in depth research they've done. Tumbleweed. All mouth and no deeds. They couldn't organise their way out of a paper bag in support of women.

Of course institutional racism needs rooting out in the Met still. Decades on from the MacPherson review it's still there, festering, along with misogyny and misogynoir. There are plenty of examples. Kaba's death is not one of them.
It's all unsubstantiated rhetoric, with an invented saintly background for him, and contempt for a jury of twelve members of the public. Twelve ordinary people unknown to each other or the officer. A jury privy to more information during the weeks of the trial, than anyone posting here disagreeing with their verdict.

It's more than reasonable for members of FWR to question why the WEP are so keen to bandwagon a man with a history of violence ( including his former pregnant partner) when there are many issues affecting women, including because of their ethnicity, which the WEP could have been raising awareness around.

Criticising the WEP for a knee jerk sound bite, based on untruths, in supporting a violent male criminal,whilst ignoring the many struggles of women black and brown, as highlighted upthread, is NOT sealioning on the FWR board. It's fair comment.

Thank you.

All of that.

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maltravers · 24/10/2024 16:12

username1589 · 24/10/2024 13:38

This is coming across as sealioning which I'm sure isn't your intention. The WEP posted a Tweet on the Kaba case in order to highlight racism in the Met.

I understand that you think it's because he's a criminal and abuser of women and they support his criminality. I disagree, I believe it's because another unarmed black man was killed by the Met, which has been found to be institutionally racist. Despite the fact he's a man, racism also affects women.

I have explained this several times and can't make it any clearer than I have. If you don't agree, that's fine.

The thread is about the WEP though and why CK is within their remit. In terms of sea lioning, who is taking up most of the thread I wonder..?

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/10/2024 16:19

I'll confess I haven't a fucking clue what sealioning is but other posters responded better than I could have anyway 😂

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SquirrelSoShiny · 24/10/2024 17:21

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 24/10/2024 17:06

Oh ok so basically accusing me of trolling (in a carefully worded way).

I'm fairly sure people who frequent the FWR boards will be familiar with my name and recognise me as an ardent supporter of women's rights, as opposed to someone called 'Username whatever' 🙄

This was a stupid, virtue signalling post by WEP and people can claim intersectionality all day long but it doesn't change the fact that they pinned it to the wrong flag bearer. Chris Kaba was no heroic defender of women's rights. He was an abuser of women - and probably most humans who crossed his path. WEP need to reflect on what motivated their post. Seeking virtue cookies?

SummerFeverVenice · 24/10/2024 17:51

Snowypeaks · 23/10/2024 06:30

All good points.
How is any of that within the remit of the Women's Equality Party? Even if he had been a model citizen, Kaba is a man. There is no intersectionality argument.

How is this thread in the remit of we little women to discuss then? As Kaba is a man.

AncientAndModern1 · 24/10/2024 19:53

SummerFeverVenice · 24/10/2024 17:51

How is this thread in the remit of we little women to discuss then? As Kaba is a man.

The issue of male violence against women and girls is core to feminism. Something the WEP has clearly abandoned

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 24/10/2024 20:15

The thread is about the WEP. Which is, or at least claims to be, about women.

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eatfigs · 26/10/2024 22:34

https://x.com/WEP_UK/status/1850245789076881443

They decided to close down today. Could it be because of the backlash to their tweets lionising Kaba?

x.com

https://x.com/WEP_UK/status/1850245789076881443

SummerFeverVenice · 26/10/2024 22:58

AncientAndModern1 · 24/10/2024 19:53

The issue of male violence against women and girls is core to feminism. Something the WEP has clearly abandoned

How so? And should not a political party that wants elected MPs not try and appeal to a majority of voters? A party will never get there if it ignores 50% of the population.

borntobequiet · 26/10/2024 23:40

It was always a pointless exercise because they hadn’t really thought about what equality for women might mean, or even what being a woman means. They just chose words that sounded good, because they’re mostly journalists and entertainers, and saying stuff rather than doing things is the way they operate.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 26/10/2024 23:44

BunfightBetty · 22/10/2024 21:36

🎯

Beggars belief they weigh in on behalf of a violent domestic abuser.

But given that they support men’s supposed right to be treated as women when they choose to be, to the detriment of actual women, I’m not really surprised. I just don’t understand why they claim to support women.

duc748 · 27/10/2024 00:07

eatfigs · 26/10/2024 22:34

https://x.com/WEP_UK/status/1850245789076881443

They decided to close down today. Could it be because of the backlash to their tweets lionising Kaba?

The straw that broke... ? They seem to have made what I'd call a Page One error? 😛

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/10/2024 08:19

eatfigs · 26/10/2024 22:34

https://x.com/WEP_UK/status/1850245789076881443

They decided to close down today. Could it be because of the backlash to their tweets lionising Kaba?

Well! That's not a surprise. Having betrayed women from the outset by centring men in the party, the awful tweet about Kaba really did showcase their complete lack of feminist thinking.

The comments under the tweet are rightly furious at how they abandoned women. And of course a positive tweet is from the transwomen member who organised the protest outside the FILIA, enabling the homophobes and misogynists to gather and abuse women. "Suck my dick you transphobic cunts" being one of the posters displayed".

Really symbolic of how transactivists trash and burn every women's organisation they can infiltrate.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 27/10/2024 17:01

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/10/2024 08:19

Well! That's not a surprise. Having betrayed women from the outset by centring men in the party, the awful tweet about Kaba really did showcase their complete lack of feminist thinking.

The comments under the tweet are rightly furious at how they abandoned women. And of course a positive tweet is from the transwomen member who organised the protest outside the FILIA, enabling the homophobes and misogynists to gather and abuse women. "Suck my dick you transphobic cunts" being one of the posters displayed".

Really symbolic of how transactivists trash and burn every women's organisation they can infiltrate.

transactivists trash and burn every women's organisation they can infiltrate.

You do not do them justice:

transactivists trash and burn every organisation they can infiltrate.

larklane17 · 29/10/2024 13:01

Cracking statement JKR.

Grammarnut · 30/10/2024 13:09

username1589 · 22/10/2024 21:09

I don't think it's about his history, I think it's about the police not acting with impunity.

The officer in question was charged and tried - and was found innocent of intentionally killing Chaba. Which does rather suggest that the police do not (always) act with impunity. Had Chaba got out of his car he would be alive albeit in prison.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 31/10/2024 20:10

larklane17 · 24/10/2024 15:07

The WEP posted a Tweet on the Kaba case in order to highlight racism in the Met.
Are you a member of WEP? Or a self-elected spokesperson?

My view is that the WEP tried to leap on a bandwagon to make themselves look good. That's it. No fact checking. Purely to keep themselves relevant. It's backfired on them.

The WEP has no substantial history of solid campaigning for women who are also black or brown. They've a picture of the Biba and Nicole demonstration on their website. WEP were not at the forefront of that at all, but using their images. Shameful.

It's all about WEP and virtue signalling. Not about hard grassroots graft. Nothing about women and girls caught up in these gangs and how to help them, nor the women exploited and abused by the likes of Kaba and his associates. Nothing about the Africans in London persecuted by them, nor the black run businesses handing over protection money to them.

Sound bites and tokenism with the WEP. I'm incredibly disappointed in them. I looked at their website to see what reports/ in depth research they've done. Tumbleweed. All mouth and no deeds. They couldn't organise their way out of a paper bag in support of women.

Of course institutional racism needs rooting out in the Met still. Decades on from the MacPherson review it's still there, festering, along with misogyny and misogynoir. There are plenty of examples. Kaba's death is not one of them.
It's all unsubstantiated rhetoric, with an invented saintly background for him, and contempt for a jury of twelve members of the public. Twelve ordinary people unknown to each other or the officer. A jury privy to more information during the weeks of the trial, than anyone posting here disagreeing with their verdict.

It's more than reasonable for members of FWR to question why the WEP are so keen to bandwagon a man with a history of violence ( including his former pregnant partner) when there are many issues affecting women, including because of their ethnicity, which the WEP could have been raising awareness around.

Criticising the WEP for a knee jerk sound bite, based on untruths, in supporting a violent male criminal,whilst ignoring the many struggles of women black and brown, as highlighted upthread, is NOT sealioning on the FWR board. It's fair comment.

🎯 That was poetry.

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