Julie Bindel following where FWR lead?

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Is it time for feminists to turn to the Tories?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-it-time-for-feminists-to-turn-to-the-tories/

JB seems to have only just caught up with what has been an active discussion on FWR not only in the lead up to the election but for months before.

Never quite sure why papers, blogs etc., bother with chasing "names" to write for them, when they could just publish the link to one of the many relevent and thought leading threads on FWR!

Can be read in full at Is it time for feminists to turn to the Tories? | The Spectator

Ridiculous article. The gender ideology invasion took seed under the Tories and flourished under them. Badenoch wrung her hands and did nothing.

Single issue voters are often blinkered, I've seen 'feminists' talk about voting for Trump and Farage. Now they want to vote for a hard right Tory who admires Thatcher.

Never quite sure why papers, blogs etc., bother with chasing "names" to write for them, when they could just publish the link to one of the many relevent and thought leading threads on FWR!

Ithink this all the time, you read articles in really well known, big newspapers, and I think, Jesus, I know six people who could write something far better in about 20 minutes.

Who gives them these jobs?

Anyway, I am surprised to see JB even ask the question. She's always seemed to be one of those silly people who assume that conservatives are all out to deliberately step on the neck of women. Notwithstanding the many women among their numbers.

The Tories? Who inflicted the trans shitshow on us, lost the election and are still a chaotic, infighting mess? Them Tories?

Why would anyone in their right mind turn to them for anything?🤯

"Why would anyone turn to them"? Whittome, Butler, Osbourne et al-thats why.

Who?

Dawn Butler, Kate Osbourne and Nadia Whittome. Gender mentalists all.

But why turn to the Tories?

What do they bring to the table apart from chaos and failure?

I didn't say anyone should-just positing a reason why labour are not to be trusted on gender woo.

Fair enough, but there are a many influential gender mentalists in the Tories, too - although thankfully a lot of them have now left the Commons. I expect to see some of them rear their heads in the House of Lords at some point though.

I get that @lonelywater, but this thread is about. JB's view that feminists should turn to the Tories.

"But <<insert female>> Labour MP" isn't an answer. What benefit can feminists get from "turning to the Tories" right now?

It might help to read the article and then you could actually talk about what she said.

thats not my reading of the article. I think she is simply saying that labour is not to be trusted much (if at all) and some tories (Kemi for one) are more attuned to planet earth-which is why some feminists are looking to them rather than labour. She is clear the she personally will not be voting tory.

I'm sometime tempted to add to an OP please only comment when you have read the article.

It is almost like there is some AI thingy reacting to each new thread on FWR and with the AI generated article.

So the title is just click bait?

I can beleive anyone irrespective of the article itself is still trying to say it was the tories wot started it.

If it hadn't been for the Tories responding to all those who wrote in, etc., about the proposed ammendments to the GRA (ie slef id) we would have had it by now.

And KB is the only minister who has stood up and defended women's sex based rights.

It is Labour who had clung to the rainbow directive of self id and now we are going to get it.

And now doubt the same people who can only ever say it is all the tories fault will blame the tories when Labour bring is self id.

Thanks for dragging yet another thread down into groundhog day nonsense.

But maybe that's the point.

To bog down on an irrelevant and untrue point to stop a discussion moving forward and evolving.

Not forgetting that the GRA was passed in 2004.

And who was Prime Minister then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair

We all know how GI started in the UK and elsewhere and tried to get it's hooks into legislation and also other para-governmental structures.

None of that fucking matters in terms of who is supporting it, or opposing it now.

Can we please stop having that same disingenuous, derailing, conversation again and again?

No the title is exactly what it says it is.

That JB has written an article which is just an echo of many discussions that have been had on FWR.

I cant imagine why you cant understand what it says.

And if you actually read the article, you will see that it makes many comments that have been made many times on many threads on FWR.

Is it boredom, or just deliberate cussedness that the moment a new thread is started someone seems to think it is about something other that what the OP describes and then a whole thread gets taken up with the irrelevance.

Just to repeat

Julie Bindel following where FWR lead?
Is it time for feminists to turn to the Tories?

I would have thought the instance response to JB writing anything like this is pretty much the same is if Owne Jones suddenly wrote an article saying maybe its time to vote Tory.

But on the other hand Jean Hatchet has been a bit less Labour now and for every.

My politics are left of centre but I have appreciated Kemi speaking out consistently for biological sex.

But her recent comments about maternity and her stance around autism support have been absolutely shocking. It’s been a timely reminder for me that although sometimes I think I’m a single issue voter, the reality is that I’m not.

I’m not usually a fan of Wes Streeting either but I think he’s a career politician who will adopt the stance that gets him the most kudos. He’s been pretty strong on sticking with Cass and the ban on puberty blockers so I hope this is an indication that the tide has continued to turn, despite the utterly ridiculous comments about gender/sex from some of the Labour MPs and allies.

Nothing in this world would ever persuade me to vote for Farage/Trump. I was disappointed to see KJK advocating for a man who’s been found guilty of sexually assaulting women.

JB’s position is captured in the last two lines.

“I can’t bear the thought of teaming up with the Tories. But unless Starmer acts quickly to calm our fears that he doesn’t care about womens’ rights, some feminists might consider doing the unthinkable.“

She points out that the Tories have a chequered history on this issue:

“Feminists must not, of course, forget that the Tories have their own chequered history in the gender debate. The Conservatives have hardly helped reassure worried women on the transgender question. It was Tory MP Maria Miller who, when she was chair of the Women and Equalities Select Committee, kicked off this toxic culture war.
In 2016, Miller chaired an inquiry into transgender equality. It strongly recommended that the UK legally adopt the self-definition of ‘gender identity’, which could render legal sex irrelevant in comparison. The committee stated that official recognition of gender should be based on self-declaration, rather than what it called a ‘medicalised’ assessment. Miller signed off the report advising a change to the Equality Act (replacing the protected characteristic of ‘gender reassignment’ with ‘gender identity’), suggesting that an individual’s feeling of ‘gender’ should take precedence over biological sex.

Feminists complained loudly, but Miller dismissed women’s fury about the erosion of single-sex provision in refuges as ‘extraordinary’ bigotry. At the time, Miller said the only backlash to her report was from ‘individuals purporting to be feminists’.“

She makes clear her view that Labour have let down women on this issue:

“For years, the Labour party was a natural home for left-leaning feminists. But Keir Starmer risks losing these voters if he doesn’t reassure women quickly that their rights are safe under Labour.
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The truth is that Starmer’s party has let down women by capitulating to those denying the biological reality of sex. Labour has promoted gender ideology at the expense of women’s rights and women’s safety. The party has failed to resist the ideological capture of British institutions and it ignored the relentless harassment endured by the women who stood up to try and protect their sex-based rights.
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Labour did not even protect one of its own MPs, Rosie Duffield, as she faced threats and abuse for daring to speak up for the rights of women.”

Nothing new in the article which hasn’t been discussed previously on FWR.

JB’s key point seems to be this:

“If the party is to retain the feminist vote, Labour needs to get real about biological sex.“

If there’s evidence that they (or any political party) care about “the feminist vote” I’d be interested to see it.

It's a cross party issue. Every party has its proponents of 'gender ideology', and every party has 'gender critical' proponents.

What did the Conservatives do for women in the past 14 years?