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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Julie Bindel following where FWR lead?

91 replies

IwantToRetire · 20/10/2024 01:37

Is it time for feminists to turn to the Tories?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-it-time-for-feminists-to-turn-to-the-tories/

JB seems to have only just caught up with what has been an active discussion on FWR not only in the lead up to the election but for months before.

Never quite sure why papers, blogs etc., bother with chasing "names" to write for them, when they could just publish the link to one of the many relevent and thought leading threads on FWR!

Can be read in full at Is it time for feminists to turn to the Tories? | The Spectator

Is it time for feminists to turn to the Tories?

Should feminists like me hold their nose and team up with the Tories? It's a dilemma many of those concerned about the transgender debate face

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-it-time-for-feminists-to-turn-to-the-tories

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MorningYawning · 20/10/2024 20:56

Sorry @TempestTost

My post was supposed to be in reply to @username3678

JoodyBlueToo · 20/10/2024 21:00

Not so sure we can cite Rosie within the Labour ranks since she has resigned the Labour whip - impressive and principled as she is.

MorningYawning · 20/10/2024 21:12

I don't think any of us really know who was behind the commissioning of the Cass Review. Although I am sure that many of us prolific letter writers and campaigners to our MPs (the ones who'd listen), and who responded carefully to consultations would have had an impact,

But there is no other country in the world that has had a review like this commissioned, and it did happen under a Tory watch.
I cannot imagine ANY Left wing government being brave enough to do it.

Re Streeting and his support of it. I am reminded of the House of Cards and the horse trading that goes on behind closed doors.
Labour will have been working with Stonewall and other T lobbyists to strike a deal, to say yes to Cass but in return, yes to their ludicrous LBGT conversion therapy ban. Where all the decent medical professionals working in that area will be too frightened in that area so you'll just be left with the quacks and it will be business as usual.

illinivich · 20/10/2024 21:34

It makes sense for the health minister to push for a review. It would go through the commissioning because thats the department who organise reviews.

I dont know what badenoch would gain from falsely name checking Javid/Hancock. Im sure someone in the shadow cabinet would have said something at the time of the comment.

The health minister should have been on the case sooner, but the clinicians are the ones who prescribe the pb.

The government were more to blame for not rowing back on the nhs 'trans inclusion' policies (gender instead of sex being recorded, single gender wards), that started in the last labour government and they ran with.

illinivich · 20/10/2024 21:42

Labour will have been working with Stonewall and other T lobbyists to strike a deal, to say yes to Cass but in return, yes to their ludicrous LBGT conversion therapy ban. Where all the decent medical professionals working in that area will be too frightened in that area so you'll just be left with the quacks and it will be business as usual.

It does seem to be the work around the problem of self id and getting a GRC - make a diagnosis very easy to obtain.

I think drugs and surgery might be increasingly difficult to get in the future because of the consequences of Cass.

TempestTost · 20/10/2024 22:22

MorningYawning · 20/10/2024 20:53

Badenoch was the force behind Cass being awarded a peerage. If she did ONE thing, it was to enable Cass to have a voice in the HoL and God forbid Starmer's army of mutant gender robots needs her voice to drone out their Borg "TWAW" chants

Interestingly it was the HoL where there was some more robust discussion of the GRA. If it had been taken seriously things might be very different now.

username3678 · 20/10/2024 22:24

TempestTost · 20/10/2024 22:22

Interestingly it was the HoL where there was some more robust discussion of the GRA. If it had been taken seriously things might be very different now.

The Tories aren't planning on scrapping the GRA. I'm not sure what the answer is given how it was introduced. Getting rid off it would no doubt end in more court cases.

illinivich · 20/10/2024 22:53

The only act governments seem to want to repeal are freedon of speech ones.

It would be a headache to repeal it, but given no one can change sex, its a logical one to get rid of.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/10/2024 23:14

Why shouldn't feminists support someone like Kemi, a strong immigrant woman of colour?

MorningYawning · 20/10/2024 23:41

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/10/2024 23:14

Why shouldn't feminists support someone like Kemi, a strong immigrant woman of colour?

Labour GC women are jealous that the Conservatives have in their leadership race, of 2 people, a black, gender critical woman.

TempestTost · 21/10/2024 00:22

I sometimes think Labour really needs to look at their use of all women shortlists. It doesn't seem to have really helped them in terms of bringing the most capable women into leadership.

Maybe that's just an unrelated element, but I do wonder.

illinivich · 21/10/2024 07:29

Generally, ive noticed that politicians come across better once they have left parliament. So i suspect its as much to do with management of the MPs, and what they are allowed to say, as their ability.

Although Starmer seems to have given a lot of people peerages to allow them to have a role in government, so im guessing he see a problem with the quality of MPs, too.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 21/10/2024 09:35

The Guardian stopped giving Julie Bindel a voice, as they did to Suzanne Moore. The publications Julie writes for now are The Telegraph and Spectator, both Conservative.

Sailonsilverrgirl · 21/10/2024 10:44

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MorningYawning · 21/10/2024 19:37

YourAmplePlumPoster · 21/10/2024 09:35

The Guardian stopped giving Julie Bindel a voice, as they did to Suzanne Moore. The publications Julie writes for now are The Telegraph and Spectator, both Conservative.

Don't forget the Daily Mail.
I'm not criticising that, this is where decent writers will go when nobody else will publish their story.
But there's so much hypocrisy from soc-fems when they earn their crust from the side of politics they apparently despise.

YellowAsteroid · 21/10/2024 19:42

If you want to hear Julie Bindel on fire and very serious about her work, the latest epi of The unspeakable features an hour long interview with her, by Meghan Daum at the top of her game as well. Excellent listening.

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