NHS Fife tries to silence nurse

[Hoardasurass]

So as has been mentioned on threads about the Darlington nurses a nurse is sueing NHS Fife over its trans staff policy.
The poor nurse was forced to get changed infront of a man in the female changing facilities, when she complained about it she was 1st told to change in a cupboard if she didn't like it, then they tried to bully her into swapping shifts so she didn't work with the man in question (she wouldn't), then they wanted her to move hospital (again she refused) so then they suspended her without pay for months until her solicitor got involved and now they are trying to gag her by insisting that the court case (starts in February) must be held in secret (I wonder why) and will be in crt next month asking to restrict reporting on the case.

This case is really important in Scotland because the trans staff policy that's going on trial in this case is the Scottish government's own policy used in all public sector organisations in Scotland and works on self id. So when this case is won it will finally kill the Scottish government's self id policy in all public bodies

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

To be fair, my poor old mum developed what appeared to be an Adam's apple. It turned out to be a hurthle cell adenoma. She had to have half her thyroid removed before it turned cancerous.

Beth has been very unlucky. It usually only hits women in their 70s. She should see a doctor.

ETA Beth's in the right place - Mum's was removed at the Vic.

Not sure what you mean.

What's it got to do with tweets?

The first bit was my memory of what she said.

The second sentence was my interpretation of how that experience was relevant to her now.

This reminds me of a programme about a Dutch boy who identified as a girl. He was allowed to use the girl’s toilets etc in the school. Someone asked him what the girls thought about that. He said he didn’t know, and maybe some didn’t like but (with a wee smirk) said they sort of had to suck it up as there was nothing they could do about it in any case. Paraphrasing, but I remember that the lad held the power over the girls, as they had no say.

Not sure what you mean.

What's it got to do with tweets?

The first bit was my memory of what she said.

The second sentence was my interpretation of how that experience was relevant to her now.

So she was suspended (and the hospital left understaffed) because she needed a single sex space? So much for 'inclusion'. Only if you're male, apparently.

Are we betting on a wig, since it seems he only put his long hair into a ponytail at work and still didn't pass?

Strictly speaking the cause was because of the allegation that Peggie had "bullied" Upton.

I'm betting on a carefully curated and lighted video link tbh. Hope not - as it's his male body in real life which is causing all these problems for women.

Without a GRC Upton is legally a man, with a GRC we need to await the judgement from FWR appeal. Either way he can legally be excluded from women’s spaces.

What is trying to be shown here is that not excluding him is discrimination and harassment of SP.

Men can have long hair. It's only when it changes length noticeably from one day to the next, or when it looks like a wig, that there's reason for suspicion.

Does anyone know if we have access to a schedule of witnesses?

Oh Sandie - this poor, poor woman. Listening to her is heartbreaking (and infuriating).

Suspendded. Only allowed to come to the hospital if it was an emergency.

While Dr Upton is free to roam, and the views, needs and consent of women is of no consequence.

I lived through the '60s and '70s, so I get what you're saying.

Given his receding hairline, I'll be interested to see what Upton does at the tribunal.

Yes but she just wanted a single sex space and spoke up about that. That was the extent of it. Recognising biological reality IN A HOSPITAL.

It's shocking, truly shocking. I think everyone watching can decide for themselves who was being bullied.

It Is unlikely Dr Upton would have accepted a gender neutral space; no woman to validate him.

Exactly - which shows it's not about gender it's about using unconsenting women.

No offence meant i thought the tweets had missed her recounting her previous experience that all.

Sorry - didn't mean to double post, or to sound snippy if I did.

Do you mean Tribunal Tweets? The first bit of their pm coverage talks about her earlier experience with a dr and breast exams.

Please remember for the hospital they received a grievance/complaint of bullying from Dr Upton. Suspension is a perfectly acceptable course of action whilst they investigate and doesn’t prejudge the outcome.

Where the hospital failed was in not taking Sandy’s initial complaints about Dr Upton using a female single sex space.

As I see it the hospital, through having a bad policy, inadvertently set up the conflict to happen, and then decided to punish the female who had less power.

So any man who doesn't like a woman asking for a single sex space can have her suspended? Surely there must be some mechanism to weed out clearly vexatious / bullying allegations?

Unless the grievance complaint was in response to a protected act (eg pointing out discrimination on the basis of sex) then it is victimisation and suspending SP is an extension of that victimisation.

So her concerns were ignored by management.
His concerns lead directly to her being suspended.

She is asked to move department or hospital.
She is asked to change her (very long-established) working patterns.
All to accommodate a man, decades younger and less experienced than her.

But he's a man. And a doctor. And, most importantly, of the sacred caste of trans.

Remember there is no distinction between Dr Upton and his employer when he is acting within the course of his employment (following procedures/practice); his actions count as the actions of his employer.