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OKLAHOMA!

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Treaclewell · 12/10/2024 10:44

When I was a child I enjoyed musicals with not much thought, but they had a lot of darkness to them. While holed up with a broken arm I've been revisiting, and just watched Oklahoma from the Proms. Very good, but what about the young men? Not just Jud Fry, to whom I shall return, but the rest. Avid customers for Ali Hakim's postcard merchandise, clients of burlesque and other things a gentleman never mentions, and that is almost presented as innocent. What do you expect when they ride for days on end with just a pony for a friend? It's the way things are. Jud, on the other hand is a very familiar figure. Now, he wouldn't be lurking in the smokehouse with his collection of pictures, but in room with wifi, and his longing for something real and his murderous response to rejection. He has already killed where he was turned down. Was he based on a real case of the time, an early incel? And why on earth did Laurey, whose gut was telling her he was a wrong'un, lead him on? I don't think I can watch it again.

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DickEmery · 20/10/2024 14:56

Clotheshanger · 12/10/2024 12:13

Singing’ in the Rain is brilliant, but I do find myself watching some of the brilliant sequences like ‘Good Mornin’!’ a bit askance since Debbie Reynolds talked about how painful and exhausting they were to film (‘Good Mornin’!’ which looks so zingy and effortless, took from 8 am to 11 pm to shoot, and her feet were bleeding by the end), and how foul Gene Kelly was to her because he thought her dance skill level was poor. And how the studio medic wanted to out her on ‘vitamins’ (aka amphetamines), aged 17 to keep her on her feet, and if it hadn’t been for her parents refusing, she could have been dead in her 40s like Judy Garland.

Yes, all of this.

Plus, she was miming.

But, isn't the point of popular entertainment that it isn't real? It's supposed to be smoke and mirrors masking the unpleasant truth.

BonfireLady · 20/10/2024 14:59

MissEsmeWatson · 20/10/2024 14:50

Do you mind another derail? "The Phantom of the Opera". Yeah you love it, I love it, we all love it, poor Phantom. But... he'd been watching and grooming Christine since she was seven! Seven! And then pretending he was her deceased father - nasty. But, you know, he was bound to have problems because of his childhood and all that, so we can forgive him. Until we watch "Love Never Dies" , and realise he's just a cunt.

I never thought of him that way.... but yeah 😬 He's a bit like that man on/in the moon in the John Lewis advert a few years ago who spent his time looking at the little girl through her curtains. As much as I do absolutely love this musical, that really is very ick.

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