Kemi Badenoch

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Looking unlikely to win the Conservative leadership now and has gone very quiet about women's rights/the EA during her campaign.

Current favourite is Cleverly.

I know she had a lot of support on here so just wondering what people thought had gone wrong for her?

Were any of the other candidates asked about this?

Service. Opportunity for all. . Repairing the damage done to the economy in the last 14 years and sharing out the benefits across society to all, not just the rich
Working with business to create opportunity. A health service and welfare state that works for those who need it. Everyone paying their way fairly.

Everyone paying their way fairly.

Then he is a class one hypocrite. .

Does she have a lot of support on here? I liked her support for women's sex based rights but I disagree with her on almost everything else. I think she would make a dreadful PM and a disaster for the country.

So how come one of the very first announcements and actions taken was to cut the fuel allowance for some of the most vulnerable and at a time when fuel prices are about to rise again?

Service isn't a value. Repairing the economy is the job of all governments ( all governments seek to get the economy to function better according to the principles they hold). Increasing business tax rates does not help businesses to create opportunity.

In my city there is now doubt that a huge investment by Astra Zeneca will go ahead - because Labur will not necessarily commit to promises that had been previously made. bio-sciences is one of the big growth areas in my city region, and thousands of jobs are at stake.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 10:42

I live in a very left wing city - and many people here despise him. Many picketed the recent Labour Party conference. Many voted for alternative Left candidates, spoiled their ballots or voted Green. I'm an ex Labour party member. I spoiled my ballot. But i did so because of the capture by gender ideology and the disgusting way that it has treated women over the last six or seven years.

Well a majority of 179 really stuck it to Labour, didn't it ? It really showed them what the country thinks of them.

My name is Mickeymix and I am a member of the Conservative Party.

I think Kemi has the potential to be a significant contributor to The Party over the next few years. But because I support her I do not want her to win now.

My hope is that she sits quietly some of the time and thinks, and thinks and writes.
Re stating Tory Values and Principles will not be enough. All parties need to work out how we live after the next Election. The everyday world will be vastly different with AI more robots more political Parties.

ps. I agree that her remarks about maternity allowance were incomplete, unfinished and half arsed. She needs to get away from the hurly burly of leadership.

She is more right wing. Most posters on here are left wing. Sex based rights is cross party. Of course, it doesn’t matter what posters on here think yet as at the moment she is campaigning to be leader of the conservatives not PM, so it is their views that count.

My hope is that she sits quietly some of the time and thinks, and thinks and writes.

That isn't 2024 politics. This is a lady who was telling the Speaker of the House of Commons how to do their job. Never one to pipe down if there is a soundbite to be had.

I agree that her remarks about maternity allowance were incomplete

Her initial comments were shockingly misrepresented by the BBC - an interviewer talked over her asking about maternity pay and then attributed the second half of her sentence to that rather than acknowledging she that she was completing her sentence. However KB then made a mess of subsequent responses trying to bring the point back to regulation of businesses rather than properly considering her stance on maternity pay and responding to that. I took it that she didn’t want to bind herself to anything prior to carrying out a review of regulation, which is both concerning but also logical. Concerning for what it means for maternity pay, but logical because the press would then undermine her by picking off one element of business regulation after another trying to get a commitment on each.

179 seats because of the quirks of our voting system, but only 36% of the vote. The margins in many seats were very narrow,

Some of those MPs have already had the whip removed for voting against the government on winter fuel allowance or the two child benefit cap. Rosie Duffield left last week. Many, such as my Labour MP, hang on even though she takes the opportunity to abstain from votes whenever she can - because she is fundamentally opposed to her own leader on many issues.

Personally think it is more interesting to observe, and try to understand, patterns and movements in the collective, rather than get bogged down in personal animosity at the tribal level.

The point is, the conservatives didnt ignore proportional representation in 2011, there was a referendum.

Owen Jones is a misogynist whiny twat. Him leaving the Labbour party pretty much coincided with me deciding they were electable 😂 Jones is campaigning against Starmer because he wants a more hardline pro-Palestine approach that many would find antisemitic. He's no loss at all.

On the first page of FWR there are also critical threads about Sandi Toksvig, Sue Gray, and Liz Truss. I haven't seen you castigating those posters.

Come to think of it, didn't see you telling off the OP of other threads criticising women (Emma Bunton, Emma Corin, Lisa Nandy, Emily Thornberry etc).

It's almost like your criticism isn't about women at all.....

It's almost like your criticism isn't about women at all.....

well there you go.

I didn't suggest he was a loss. Personally, I find him intolerable.

My point was more to do with observing the larger patterns at play, the issues of the day and the recurrent themes. That is what interests me. All of it points to a fracturing of the vote and a quite profound change in people's voting habits and intentions.Cultural issues are now as important as bread and butter issues for some voters.

Objectively speaking, whoever gets to be the new leader of the Tories needs to put some daylight between themselves and Labour - and to do that they need to re-establish a broad set of core conservative values. You cannot inspire anyone with an alternative vision if you don't have the foundational principles in place.

Starmer's problem is that his job was simply to get Labour elected after 14 years out of government. He's done that now - though by trying to be everything to everybody, he ends up pleasing nobody and has no over-arching narrative other than "at least we're not the nasty Tories".

So how come one of the very first announcements and actions taken was to cut the fuel allowance for some of the most vulnerable and at a time when fuel prices are about to rise again?
The triple lock meant that the pension increase last year exceeded the money that will be taken away. Something had to be done to stop the fuel allowance being paid to millions of people who were very comfortable.

Service isn't a value.
It is. I volunteer because one of my personal values is to serve the community.

Repairing the economy is the job of all governments ( all governments seek to get the economy to function better according to the principles they hold).
The Conservatives failed to do this in 14 years.

Increasing business tax rates does not help businesses to create opportunity.
The manifesto committed to maintaining the main principles of the business tax system https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/labours-business-partnership-for-growth/

In my city there is now doubt that a huge investment by Astra Zeneca will go ahead - because Labur will not necessarily commit to promises that had been previously made. bio-sciences is one of the big growth areas in my city region, and thousands of jobs are at stake.
Are you talking about Liverpool? Liverpool has a Labour mayor and Labour won over 60% of the vote share in the general election.

She's 44. She's had plenty of time to sit and think already.

Yes, I'm talking about Liverpool. I'm well aware that the city has a Labour metro mayor - but that has not prevented doubt being cast on the investment, with rumours ( hopefully unfounded) that the investment will go to Philadelphia instead, where regional bodies are happier to utilise public funds to attract business.

Labour in government have never done anything of great significance for Liverpool. It was Labour who left the city off the HS2 map, and it was Labour that cancelled the tram scheme.

The Labour council in Liverpool was so inept and corrupt that the last government had to come in and exercise over-sight for three years. The culture in Liverpool Labour has been very anti business and very anti development too.

And many Labour party people here cannot abide Starmer. There is not much in the way of illsuions left for how the city will do under this administration.

As far as I can see Starmer's vision is to either starve or bomb all the children in the world.

I listened to the interview. She was not misrepresented by the BBC, The Times, or any other media outlet that reported on it.

She has repeatedly lied, claiming "misrepresentation".🙄 If she misspoke, she should have said so and clarified her stance. Instead, she's chosen to lie and claims to be a victim of the media.

She think we're fucking stupid. As I said above, we are nothing but "useful idiots" as far as she's concerned.

At no point did she say maternity pay was excessive - the first headline the BBC ran with before they started backtracking. She said business regulation was excessive.

She said business regulation was excessive.

And gave Maternity Pay as her only example.

No, the interviewer gave maternity pay as the example and because of the BBC’s initial headline (that she had stated maternity pay, not regulation, was excessive) everyone smelt blood and ran with it forcing her to try and defend herself - which she did poorly. After that everyone focused on maternity pay.