Moira Deeming in Australia - thread 3

[TheSandgroper]

Following on from busy threads 1 and 2

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5172553-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-thread-2-from-australia

Keep on discussing, ladies. Change never happens in silence.

Well yes. Won't you? That's how "having an opinion" works. Everyone is entitled to draw their own conclusions from a set of facts

Yes. But not calling any of the three women involved nazis or nazi sympathisers, which was the point I was making.

You wrote:

Please can you provide evidence that anyone other than Moira Deeming, Kellie-Jay Keen or Angie Jones was determined to mention Nazis? Because I haven't seen it.

But you HAVE seen it. You didn’t say “calling women Nazis or Nazi sympathisers” originally. You said “mention Nazis”. You have seen where people in the Liberal party leadership team were determined to mention Nazis. So why pretend you haven’t? Or why pretend you mean something different now compared to what you said?

We know you know all this. Why bother pretending?

But not to distort, cherry pick and misrepresent the facts to suit their prejudices.

There is also a manufactured hyperbolic outrage over words - so even saying the word Nazi can mean you’re a Nazi, how dare you say paedophile in case you upset an imaginary gay man (yep I know loads, could get them to line up behind me…..)

Its the sort of argument my teen would make cos because she saw it on Tiktok

@NotBadConsidering

But you HAVE seen it. You didn’t say “calling women Nazis or Nazi sympathisers” originally. You said “mention Nazis”. You have seen where people in the Liberal party leadership team were determined to mention Nazis. So why pretend you haven’t? Or why pretend you mean something different now compared to what you said?

We know you know all this. Why bother pretending?

@CassieMaddox said 'Nazis or Nazi sympathisers'. She is quite careful with her wording, and this is what it was. I also don't believe anyone has called MD, KJK etc. these things. I don't think they are.

Quite remarkable you have claimed Cassie said something different when I quoted what Cassie actually said in bold and pointed out the difference in my post. Given you seemed to have missed it, Cassie said:

Please can you provide evidence that anyone other than Moira Deeming, Kellie-Jay Keen or Angie Jones was determined to mention Nazis? Because I haven't seen it.

And Cassie knows that the Liberal party leadership team produced a Word document full of mentions of Nazis.

Well well well. Welcome one and all to the next iteration of the Pesutto's Career Clownshoes Binfire show.

From the transcripts, it is going on the legal record that his staff have really stuffed up, and he is the one carrying the can when the sad trombone noise sounds.

There are going to be ructions. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-05/moira-deeming-john-pesutto-defamation-trial-week-three/104435112

If the recording is happening in Victoria, it will be happening throughout Australia.

From The Age, Melbourne’s daily newspaper. With apologies for the screenshots. I have no idea about archive websites.

Thanks again mothra

So the row is “meetings are recorded” not “there was a misogynistic campaign to expel a woman for speaking up for women’s rights”?

@NotBadConsidering recording meetings seems to be SOP, no matter what the reason.

Potentially everyone in politics will do this in Victoria now because of this trial. And everyone potentially will have their own recordings as back up as insurance against recordings then being modified.

Perhaps they just need to be upfront and video those meetings and distribute the recordings after each meeting. Save on all the surprises.

I think it is fair to say there is a significant trust issue in those party rooms at the best of times.

I’m referring more to what the ABC has taken to be the biggest thing to report on. Meetings are recorded, is that a big deal or not? Not a word about the concerted effort of the leadership team to document Nazi associations, the testimony of those who misrepresented Angie Jones etc.

Reading along.

I have a bad knee at the moment, and can’t do many of my favourite walks ☹️, but happily can compensate using the many and varied peregrinations featured in these threads, exploring the lanes and alleyways of the villages and hamlets of Nuance and Innuendo, the rolling uplands of Irrelevance and the soggy bottoms of Fartoomuch Needlessdetail, as well as the craggy rocks of Personal Attack.

Thanks!

I have seen the Brisi times report on the potential egg attack, has there been much else?

The fact someone intended to attack Moira Deeming in court shows the depths that some people will sink to.

Did you miss the LookOverThereathon? Just a couple of people running round in circles waving red flags when I left.

I’ll definitely look out for it!

There is an issue that many people would consider a tweet like Jones', or language like Moira's (paedophile apologists) around LGBT issues to be homophobic.

That is separate to the context. Many people don't look at the context, especially not on Twitter where people just retweet or screenshot individual things.

I am not sure why posters on here are putting in so much energy to deny something pretty obvious. A lot of the general public who aren't in the guts of the GC debate find that language distasteful or offensive and perceive it to be motivated by prejudice against LGBT people.

Being able to point that out does not mean safe schools is a hill I want to die on. It means I can see the defences argument in this case.

I'm still struggling to see where anyone called MD, AJ, or KJK a nazi sympathiser. I keep asking but noone seems to have any evidence of it. Yet most posters seem to be starting from a position that it's just factual and accepted that happened. I don't think it is.

All four leadership positions could be spilled?

although, it's apparently because they look like untrustworthy clowns, not, as others pointed out, because they are misogynistic weasels.

still, when you look this slippery, it's no surprise it's curtains.

JP says that his public apology/statement was worded very carefully and he only apologises to KJK for being a Nazi, not a Nazi sympathiser

JP does not seem to be, on the evidence coming available, half as smart and shrewd as he thinks he is.

%although, it's apparently because they look like untrustworthy clowns, not, as others pointed out, because they are misogynistic weasels. ^

I think this newspaper has joined in with attacking Moira Deeming before over this, so it would be hard for them to backtrack on that. Might be misremembering, though.

Sorry for formatting, need coffee!