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nauticant · 11/12/2024 23:25

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:22

That was short and sweet. Did anyone get the web address!

https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2024/2024fca1430

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 11/12/2024 23:25

Amazing!!! Right result but the way things are in Oz I was not hopeful!!

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:25

https://x.com/6NewsAU/status/1866986677618761820?t=zo7-wP_p5Uwsx1GkqxKpDA&s=19

#BREAKING 🚨 Independent Liberal MP Moira Deeming wins her defamation fight against Victorian Liberal leader John Pesutto; awarded $300,000

x.com

https://x.com/6NewsAU/status/1866986677618761820?s=19&t=zo7-wP_p5Uwsx1GkqxKpDA

mothra · 11/12/2024 23:26

Woohoo!

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:28

Well Pesutto did a fantastic job of Fuck Around and Find Out didn't he!

Snowypeaks · 11/12/2024 23:30

That seems like a comprehensive win for Moira Deeming.

Crafting1Queen · 11/12/2024 23:30

This is brilliant news. Well done Moira, though I'm sorry you had to go through everything you have re this.

Hell slap it right into you Mr Pesutto, and all your misogynistic cronies and sycophants!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/12/2024 23:31

Brilliant news. Another bullying man getting his comeuppance.

Cailleach1 · 11/12/2024 23:31

“4 Mrs Deeming is, and has been for some years, a passionate advocate for the preservation or reinstatement of sex-based rights and safeguards for women and children (such as female only bathrooms and changerooms).”

Good old Judge!

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Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:32

All Moira Deeming ever wanted was an apology .

I how she feels well and truly vindicated

🍾 well done Moira!

Moira Deeming in Australia - thread 3
Myalternate · 11/12/2024 23:35

Brilliant news 😁

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:37

Quantum of damages for non-economic loss
828 Mr Pesutto accepted that any republications of the defamatory sense and substance of a publication (unlike the position with respect to serious harm) are matters I can properly have regard to when considering what damages to award (RCS [44.2(b)]).
829 It was also submitted, and I took Mrs Deeming to agree, that I should make a single award for damages, aggregating the harm caused by the separate publications.
830 Weighing up all matters that I have considered above and bearing in mind consolation for such hurt that has been causally related and has been proven, reparation for the harm done to Mrs Deeming’s reputation and the need for vindication of it, and doing my best to ensure that there is an appropriate and rational relationship between the harm sustained by Mrs Deeming and the amount of damages awarded, I have concluded that the appropriate award of damages for non-economic loss is $300,000.
831 An order for interest will also be made.

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:39

Mitigation
825 Mr Pesutto made a submission (at RCS [45.1]) that any award of damages should be mitigated by reference to certain matters, including:
(a) “the substantial truth of various imputations and the particulars set out in Annexure A of his Defence, already discussed in the Contextual Truth section [of the RCS]”;
(b) his “repeated public statements that he did not believe Mrs Deeming to be a neo-Nazi, a white supremacist, or anything of similar substance or effect”;
(c) “the fact that Mrs Deeming made, caused or acceded to public statements falsely asserting that Mr Pesutto has said that she is a Nazi or has Nazi associations or is a Nazi sympathiser, thereby causing or contributing to the damage to her reputation…”;
(d) Mrs Deeming’s “prior damaged reputation”; and
(e) “such other evidence as is properly admitted at trial”.
826 As is apparent from my reasons, I do not accept the propositions that underpin them. I do not accept Mr Pesutto’s pleaded imputations (other than in the case of the EMD where they were similar to Mrs Deeming’s) were carried. It is true that Mrs Deeming was wrong to say that Mr Pesutto had said that she was a “Nazi”, but I have found that he did say, for example, that she associates with Nazis and it is difficult to see what additional damage Mrs Deeming could have done to her own reputation in that regard. And she did not have a relevant “prior damaged reputation”, as I have explained.
827 As to (e), nothing of significance in the light of my earlier conclusions was identified.

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:41

The seriousness of the defamation
775 The imputations that I have found to be carried by each of the publications are obviously serious, and any award of damages must take into account the seriousness of all the meanings conveyed.
776 It follows that the need for vindication in this case is high and any award of damages must be “sufficient to convince a bystander of the baselessness of the charge[s]”: Broome v Cassell & Co Ltd [1972] AC 1027 at 1071 (Lord Hailsham LC), cited by Lee J in Lehrmann v Network Ten Pty Ltd (Trial Judgment) [2024] FCA 369 at [1014].

Helleofabore · 11/12/2024 23:43

I am having a quick read and the judge seems to have written it pretty much as his questions indicated.

But yes, he didn't find the claims that she was 'controversial' to be consistent with either the truth or with Pesutto's actions. And yet, we were told categorically that she absolutely was controversial and that we absolutely didn't know what we were talking about.

I am kind of glad that I am reading that part first because wims, quite a few of us have pointed out the same points or similar as he has pointed out. Imagine that....

lcakethereforeIam · 11/12/2024 23:44

Does she have to pay her costs and could he appeal? After such an apparently comprehensive drubbing he'd be a fool to.

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:44

And so to bed, I'll read it in full tomorrow!

Happy days!

And to Pseutto...

🖕

FeralWoman · 11/12/2024 23:46

Great result. Deeming must be pleased. Time for Pesutto to resign.

Another court date within a few days to determine interest and legal costs. Pesutto has to pay for Deeming’s legal costs. Lol at his waffling in court making the case take longer than needed. That’s cost him at least $19k/day in court. $11k/day for his KC, and $8k/day for Deeming’s SC.

Crafting1Queen · 11/12/2024 23:46

Massive kudos and thanks to Sue Crystanthou SC, Barrister and Barry Dean, Barrister for their sterling work on this case. And of course her amazing cross examination during that torturous trial.

How Sue Crystanthou's eyebrows didn't become permanently welded to the top of her head, dealing with the utter batshittery, and cutting through the lies, that passed for answers the alleged professionals continuously came out with, I'll never know.

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:46

Helleofabore · 11/12/2024 23:43

I am having a quick read and the judge seems to have written it pretty much as his questions indicated.

But yes, he didn't find the claims that she was 'controversial' to be consistent with either the truth or with Pesutto's actions. And yet, we were told categorically that she absolutely was controversial and that we absolutely didn't know what we were talking about.

I am kind of glad that I am reading that part first because wims, quite a few of us have pointed out the same points or similar as he has pointed out. Imagine that....

Shocked I tell you! Shocked

😁

Datun · 11/12/2024 23:51

Boiledbeetle · 11/12/2024 23:39

Mitigation
825 Mr Pesutto made a submission (at RCS [45.1]) that any award of damages should be mitigated by reference to certain matters, including:
(a) “the substantial truth of various imputations and the particulars set out in Annexure A of his Defence, already discussed in the Contextual Truth section [of the RCS]”;
(b) his “repeated public statements that he did not believe Mrs Deeming to be a neo-Nazi, a white supremacist, or anything of similar substance or effect”;
(c) “the fact that Mrs Deeming made, caused or acceded to public statements falsely asserting that Mr Pesutto has said that she is a Nazi or has Nazi associations or is a Nazi sympathiser, thereby causing or contributing to the damage to her reputation…”;
(d) Mrs Deeming’s “prior damaged reputation”; and
(e) “such other evidence as is properly admitted at trial”.
826 As is apparent from my reasons, I do not accept the propositions that underpin them. I do not accept Mr Pesutto’s pleaded imputations (other than in the case of the EMD where they were similar to Mrs Deeming’s) were carried. It is true that Mrs Deeming was wrong to say that Mr Pesutto had said that she was a “Nazi”, but I have found that he did say, for example, that she associates with Nazis and it is difficult to see what additional damage Mrs Deeming could have done to her own reputation in that regard. And she did not have a relevant “prior damaged reputation”, as I have explained.
827 As to (e), nothing of significance in the light of my earlier conclusions was identified.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2024 23:53

Oh what fantastic news 🎉 well done to Moira!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2024 23:53

And her excellent legal team!

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