One third of domestic abuse victims are male

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Domestic and sexual abuse strategy launched

Glad to see the launch of this strategy following some really harsh funding cuts in the sector in the last few years, including to the only charity providing counselling to children who have been sexually abused, but I was really surprised by this statistic. Is it reflected in the rest of the UK or is NI unusual in this regard?

Some of those men will be victims of violence from male partners or sons who abuse their elderly fathers. But no I don’t think that it’s anything like one third of victims, it’s much less.

There are a lot of men who falsely claim that they are victims when they are in fact perpetrators. Or to access homeless or other services.

What percentage of perpetrators are male?
What has been the effect of current strategy for 66% of victims?

Oh well. at least NI knows that domestic violence is a thing. Pity that focusing on women is impossible if the men are not centred.

Agree to some extent with the above. It was quite some years ago that local domestic Violence, multi agency partnerships expanded the brief (mission creep?) to any incidents of violence which happen in a domestic setting. and beyond to persons known to each other.

Includes carers, cared for, children, parents, gay men, men, Lesbians, and any other family type relationship.

And some partnerships include loan sharks and pimps.

That is why most of the women’s sector changed DV to gender based violence and then sex based violence. It’s just the patriarchy moving the fucking goal posts. And females involved in this are handmaidens.

Worked in Domestic Abuse for many years, I believe this. A huge problem is women who aren't victims or perpetrators but observing often dismissing the possibility. I have seen some really disturbing cases of Domestic Abuse against men. Also it is still so very normalised for women to hit men. If a man hits a woman everyone immediately suggests she leaves and safeguards herself- she can tell someone. Men will rarely tell their friends. A lot of their children witness it, including adult children and it's really sad.

Really?

It looks like they are quoting from 2022/23 ONS which are quoted here https://mankind.org.uk/statistics/statistics-on-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse/

@TLMTTCSJTT1 you are talking complete and utter nonsense.

Some statistics (built on ONS):

The latest Office for National Statistics figures (2022/23) show that one in three victims of domestic abuse are male equating to 751,000 men (3.2%) and 1.38 million women (5.7%). From this, 483,000 men and 964,000 women are victims of partner abuse. (ONS 2022/23).
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1% of male victims (2022/23) fail to tell anyone they are a victim of partner abuse – which is big improvement as previously it was 49% in 2017/18. The figures for female victims are 18.2% (2022/23) and 19% (2017/18. (ONS 2022/23).
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In 2022/23, 13 men died at the hands of their partner or ex-partner compared to 56 women. (ONS 2022/23).

https://mankind.org.uk/statistics/statistics-on-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse/

Re: reported sex of perpetrators of domestic abuse

https://www.mankind.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Male-Victims-of-Domestic-Abuse-Briefing-on-Gender-and-Sexuality-of-Perpetrators-September-2019.pdf

ETA: xd with Iwanttoretire

Very rude and untrue, this is my literal experience. My career and all of my qualifications and studies are in it.

I dont doubt women can be violent, but wonder if the % of men who are killed because of domestic violence the same as it is for women?

There are a lot of men who falsely claim that they are victims when they are in fact perpetrators.

@S0CKPUPPET This happened to someone I know. Fortunately in her case there was a lot of evidence to prove he was lying and that she was the real victim.

There are also many male victims of male perpetuated DV. Children, for example (I actually wonder why the term Violence Against Women And Girls isn't Violence Against Women And Children tbh).
There's also male victims of DV from male partners.

I'm not dismissing that some men are genuine victims from female perpetrators (and obviously they need help the same as a female or child victim) but evidence finds women (and children) are still at higher risk - especially of serious physical injury or homicide.

Yes I did somewhat roll my eyes to see that the photo used to illustrate the article was a man.

I don't think there was a strategy before. And given that most of the support available for women has been set up and funded by women's charities, it's a bit galling to see the minister calling for equal provision for men funded by the state.

What a horrible thing to say. I've personally known 4 men who've been abused. The first was beaten reasonably regularly by his husband. The other 3 were beaten by wives, one used to take him outside his mother's (who lived next door) and beat him in the street as a humiliation thing. None of the men who were beaten by wives would hit back, none would report because of the shame. Saying that some men are victims of abuse doesn't take anything away from female victims.

So they are UK statistics then. I am quite surprised by that, I must admit. The murder rate for female victims is 5 times higher according to one of those sources though.

Firstly Some of the ONS data relies on declarations as opposed to fact.

Secondly violence against women in the UK is a serious problem as is lack of prosecutions. So those who come on here to tell a female orientated website that men are victims in equal measure are just well arseholes.

This is like mansplaining with knobs on.

Not to mention the skewing of data with, the other woman type.

Oh and women killing men is quite often self defence.

Of course we can all use data to justify a particular position.

What have I experienced myself, what have I have seen and heard from my contemporary females, what have seen and supported with my daughter and her friends, what I know from chairing MARACs what I know from being the manager of a refuge service, what I know from being a domestic violence coordinator, what i know from managing and chairing rape crisis services tells me this”:

MALE VIOLENCE IS A MASSIVE PROBLEM IN OUR SOCIETY.

How is this relevant to the women's rights board?

This board tends to be the one place where people are supposed to be allowed to focus on the two thirds of the victims who are female.

I cant make sense of this:

The latest Office for National Statistics figures (2022/23) show that one in three victims of domestic abuse are male equating to 751,000 men (3.2%) and 1.38 million women (5.7%). From this, 483,000 men and 964,000 women are victims of partner abuse. (ONS 2022/23)

So are they saying there are 2 categories. Domestic abuse and also partner abuse, or are the partner abuse figures included in the domestic abuse figures?

Just trying to understand the figures.

re my own comments about number of deaths:

In 2022/23, 13 men died at the hands of their partner or ex-partner compared to 56 women. (ONS 2022/23).

I was thinking it was relevant if more state support is being offered to men than has generally been available for women?

Look at the sex of the perpetrators who are overwhelmingly male. Regarding the number of male victims, remember that domestic abuse includes elder abuse and abuse of adult dependent children, including disabled adults. These account for a very large number of abused males. Additionally the BCS definition of abuse is very wide and includes non-violent abuse such as financial control and coercion. I suspect many men will happily report that they are being financially controlled because their wife said no to another set of golf clubs.

Good point, hadn't necessarily considered the likes of elder abuse in those statistics.

Not disputing any of that. I am really coming at this from the POV that when my daughter needed support after disclosing abuse, despite the health minister publicly stating that it was available through the health service in every Trust area, the only place we were directed to by CAMHS was the charity that the same health minister had just cut the funding for (fortunately it was subsequently restored after an outcry).

Yet Naomi long is saying an equal level of services must be provided for men, and I am wondering if that is really justified.

@IwantToRetire I think, but could be wrong, that the first category includes male children?

Alao agree with @LaerealSilverhand elder abuse and abuse of disabled adult dependants is a problem in society (and too often ignored by support systems).

So are they saying there are 2 categories. Domestic abuse and also partner abuse, or are the partner abuse figures included in the domestic abuse figures?

Partner abuse is a subset of DA abuse in those figures.

The Domestic Abuse Act 2021 defines domestic abuse as any incident or pattern of incidents between those aged 16 years and over who:

• are a partner
• are an ex-partner
• are a relative
• have, or there has been a time when they each have had, a parental relationship in relation to the same child

The Domestic Abuse Act 2021 outlines the following behaviours as abuse:

• physical or sexual abuse
• violent or threatening behaviour
• controlling or coercive behaviour
• economic abuse
• psychological, emotional, or other abuse

The Domestic Abuse Act 2021 recognises children under the age of 18 years who see, or hear, or experience the effects of the abuse, as a victim of domestic abuse if they are related or have a parental relationship to the adult victim or perpetrator of the abuse. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/domesticabuseinenglandandwalesoverview/november2023#:~:text=The%20police%20recorded%20889%2C918%20domestic,the%20year%20ending%20March%202022.

I assume these are the ONS figures referred to:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/domesticabuseinenglandandwalesoverview/november2023

'The Crime Survey for England and Wales estimated that 2.1 million people aged 16 years and over (1.4 million women and 751,000 men) experienced domestic abuse in the year ending March 2023.'

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/domesticabusevictimcharacteristicsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023

'Crimes recorded by the police show the following trends:

• In the year ending March 2023, the victim was female in 73.5% of domestic abuse-related crimes.
• Between the year ending March 2020 and the year ending March 2022, 67.3% of victims of domestic homicide were female compared with 12.1% of victims of non-domestic homicide.'