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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Worldwide XX Day proposed, wear red - 10th October

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/09/2024 06:58

Just seen on X. #TERFDayofVisibility proposed for 10th October because it's X X in Roman numerals. Suggested that women in support all over the world should wear red. Symbolic but also not as political as suffragette colours for those who need to be careful at work. I think I'll give this a go. https://x.com/sappholives83/status/1837232379179544598?t=wUUgCHATTW_qZ2O6c4z8NQ&s=19

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Snowypeaks · 22/09/2024 15:38

I'm scrabbling around trying to imagine what kind of accident would lead to the loss of a vagina, that tweet can only have been written by someone who hasn't got a fucking clue what a vagina is.

Well, quite!
"I was 'bombing' in a marine life centre and just as I hit the water, my vagina fell out and a shark snaffled it before I could pick it up! Bummer..."?

"I disassembled my vagina to give it a good clean and oiling but it squirted out of my hands and out of the bathroom window and landed on the head of a dog, who panicked and ran away! Bummer..."?

"I was practising an aria from the well-known opera Die Valkyrie, when a bat flew into the sitting room and was instantly killed by my high C! Desperate to conceal my crime (bats are a protected species), I stuffed the dead bat into the first thing I saw - my vagina, which was sitting handily on the chest of drawers - and popped my bat-filled vagina into one of the drawers! But now I can't remember which one I put it in! Bummer...

Something like that? I'm struggling here... But at least I've involved animals, which is always good.

Annotated1 · 22/09/2024 15:41

Yes definitely being a bit pedantic… but we also have the Triple X lot. That’s XXX chromosomes and is more common than we think and often undiagnosed. My daughter has this and she is definitely female.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 22/09/2024 17:50

Any relevant 'accident' I can think of would headline that year's Things people stuck in their orifices article in every medical journal's xmas edition.

BonfireLady · 22/09/2024 18:00

Snowypeaks · 22/09/2024 15:38

I'm scrabbling around trying to imagine what kind of accident would lead to the loss of a vagina, that tweet can only have been written by someone who hasn't got a fucking clue what a vagina is.

Well, quite!
"I was 'bombing' in a marine life centre and just as I hit the water, my vagina fell out and a shark snaffled it before I could pick it up! Bummer..."?

"I disassembled my vagina to give it a good clean and oiling but it squirted out of my hands and out of the bathroom window and landed on the head of a dog, who panicked and ran away! Bummer..."?

"I was practising an aria from the well-known opera Die Valkyrie, when a bat flew into the sitting room and was instantly killed by my high C! Desperate to conceal my crime (bats are a protected species), I stuffed the dead bat into the first thing I saw - my vagina, which was sitting handily on the chest of drawers - and popped my bat-filled vagina into one of the drawers! But now I can't remember which one I put it in! Bummer...

Something like that? I'm struggling here... But at least I've involved animals, which is always good.

Delurking to say I have tears down my face and sore cheeks from laughing too hard 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Soooooooooooo many people don't seem to know what a vagina is. I mean the idea of losing a vulva in a freak accident is baffling enough but at least you can see it. So conceivably, at least in theory, it could be accidentally ripped off... I mean it's far-fetched.... An accident with a shredder/paper-cutting guillotine when leaning fowards too enthusiastically, at an unfortunate angle?

But the vagina.... just.... how?!

(Edited for typo: forwards, not towards)

eatfigs · 22/09/2024 21:40

There's an updated tweet with a spiffy logo: https://x.com/sappholives83/status/1837827272679539072

Worldwide XX Day proposed, wear red - 10th October
eatfigs · 22/09/2024 21:42

Don't know what's going on with the username of the artist though, kind of icky tbh.

TheColourOutOfSpace · 23/09/2024 07:37

eatfigs · 22/09/2024 21:40

There's an updated tweet with a spiffy logo: https://x.com/sappholives83/status/1837827272679539072

Nice!

I'll make sure I wear something close to red on the day 😄

uncutdiamonds · 23/09/2024 10:04

Neinneinnein · 22/09/2024 11:05

What about women with Turners Syndrome? They have one full X and either a missing or partial second X chromosome? They are definitely considered women.

So you're saying it should be XX+?

You know Double Ten is symbolized by ++?

😂

uncutdiamonds · 23/09/2024 10:06

TheColourOutOfSpace · 23/09/2024 07:37

Nice!

I'll make sure I wear something close to red on the day 😄

Yup, definitely looking more Chinese

LaerealSilverhand · 23/09/2024 10:42

@MarieDeGournay 'intersex' is not rejected by all, or even most, people with DSDs. In the UK it's still widely used and in fact the biggest charity/support group for people with DSDs in the UK (ICON) specifically uses it. The preferred term for many people with these conditions is I/VSC (Intersex/Variations of Sexual Characteristics) which is what ICON use.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 23/09/2024 10:44

Neinneinnein · 22/09/2024 11:43

Not to be pedantic, but some women aren't XX, as already stated (Turner Syndrome).
There is also a condition called Klinefelter syndrome - the presence of the Y gives male characteristics however they also have XX which results in feminine aspects. These people are often labelled intersex.
I get the idea of standing up for biological females, just not sure XX is the way to go.

You absolutely ARE being pedantic.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 23/09/2024 10:49

Neinneinnein · 22/09/2024 13:35

I'm not saying anything 'isn't fair' though. I'm saying that the term isn't ideal. It's not nitpicking or derailing, it's show how some males may think it includes them and/or females think it excludes them.
I'm all for biological women taking back the term woman, please don't doubt that!

So TRAs have taken “woman” and now “female” too, we’re not allowed to use XX according to you because some absolutely tiny minority of women might feel excluded from that. So what do you suggest we call ourselves? the-people-formerly-known-as-women-who are female-and-have-vaginas-real-ones-not-the-special-neo-designers-ones-that-are-so-much-better-than-the-original-cunty-kind ? Any other ideas?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/09/2024 11:03

There is no "ideal" term, and people will always criticise whichever one is chosen. I think it's a great idea and follows on from the Olympics solidarity signal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/09/2024 11:05

I also look great in red WinkGrin

Snowypeaks · 23/09/2024 11:07

I believe "intersex" is the term used in North America to describe the small subset of VSDs/DSDs which result in ambiguous-looking genitalia at birth. (Most VSDs are not of this type.) As I hope we all know by now, no-one is actually a mixture of the sexes, or both, or neither. We have been asked on this board by a spokeswoman for people living with DSDs/VSDs not to describe them as intersex, which is why we don't use the term.

Anyhoo...10th October is in my diary and I will spread the word. Thanks, OP.

Brefugee · 23/09/2024 14:54

Neinneinnein · 22/09/2024 11:49

Sorry if you think I'm being obtuse - I just hate the thought of women being excluded while trying to empower them (if that makes sense). 😔

tbh sounds more like trying to find a way that women can't or shouldn't be doing something. Nitpicky.

That's how it comes across, anyway.

GailBlancheViola · 23/09/2024 15:18

Ah bugger I want the purple one! Might have to flash the cash and have two.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 23/09/2024 17:03

It's not possible to 'feel like a mixture of sexes' as nobody is a mixture of sexes, so no one knows how that would feel, were it possible.

And even if somebody was a mixture of sexes, nobody else would ever know what that felt like.

BonfireLady · 23/09/2024 17:16

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 23/09/2024 17:03

It's not possible to 'feel like a mixture of sexes' as nobody is a mixture of sexes, so no one knows how that would feel, were it possible.

And even if somebody was a mixture of sexes, nobody else would ever know what that felt like.

To be fair, snails might do. But their communication skills to express their feelings are lacking.

My children tried to imagine how they might feel at one point and "on edge" was the conclusion. Apparently (according to the wisdom of my children) it's a bit of a race to see who can stick it in the other one first, in order to make baby snails. Whoever is the winner (their word) gets to pass on the seed and the other then has to carry and lay the eggs. Disclaimer: I have no idea if they are right.

Perhaps a human who is a "mixture of the sexes" would feel and behave similarly, with their hermaphroditic genitals and reproductive systems?

MarieDeGournay · 23/09/2024 17:36

Um... is it just me or does the design remind anyone else of the posters celebrating 'top surgery'... the crossed plasters over the scars where the breasts should be... ?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/09/2024 18:30

according to the wisdom of my children) it's a bit of a race to see who can stick it in the other one first, in order to make baby snails. Whoever is the winner (their word) gets to pass on the seed and the other then has to carry and lay the eggs. Disclaimer: I have no idea if they are right.

They are broadly correct. It varies by species. For a start, not all species are hemaphrodites, and some of the ones that are will - under the right conditions - self fertilise rather than mating.

When hemaphrodite snails do mate, they usually both transfer sperm, and then produce eggs for the sperm they receive. However, producing eggs is metabolically costly so they have an immune-type reaction that destroys at least some of the received sperm. The ideal result for an individual snail is that all the sperm passed on meets and egg, and all the received sperm is destroyed - but of course if all snails were equal this would result in nobody producing any eggs and the species going extinct. So it's an arms race of stronger sperm and better immune systems and in any given mating 1 snail will have an advantage but overall it averages out.

But some species have also evolved a small calcium harpoon, which they attempt to fire at each other. Both snails in a mating pair will have this, but whoever is hit first doesn't get to fire in return. And the harpoon injects countermeasures that prevent the sperm destruction - so the successful shooter ensures its target will lay more eggs.

Slugs have slightly different systems. They engage in penis jousting and the winner gets to be the penetrator.

Snowypeaks · 23/09/2024 18:32

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/09/2024 18:30

according to the wisdom of my children) it's a bit of a race to see who can stick it in the other one first, in order to make baby snails. Whoever is the winner (their word) gets to pass on the seed and the other then has to carry and lay the eggs. Disclaimer: I have no idea if they are right.

They are broadly correct. It varies by species. For a start, not all species are hemaphrodites, and some of the ones that are will - under the right conditions - self fertilise rather than mating.

When hemaphrodite snails do mate, they usually both transfer sperm, and then produce eggs for the sperm they receive. However, producing eggs is metabolically costly so they have an immune-type reaction that destroys at least some of the received sperm. The ideal result for an individual snail is that all the sperm passed on meets and egg, and all the received sperm is destroyed - but of course if all snails were equal this would result in nobody producing any eggs and the species going extinct. So it's an arms race of stronger sperm and better immune systems and in any given mating 1 snail will have an advantage but overall it averages out.

But some species have also evolved a small calcium harpoon, which they attempt to fire at each other. Both snails in a mating pair will have this, but whoever is hit first doesn't get to fire in return. And the harpoon injects countermeasures that prevent the sperm destruction - so the successful shooter ensures its target will lay more eggs.

Slugs have slightly different systems. They engage in penis jousting and the winner gets to be the penetrator.

Bloody hell. A-ma-zing!

BonfireLady · 23/09/2024 18:48

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/09/2024 18:30

according to the wisdom of my children) it's a bit of a race to see who can stick it in the other one first, in order to make baby snails. Whoever is the winner (their word) gets to pass on the seed and the other then has to carry and lay the eggs. Disclaimer: I have no idea if they are right.

They are broadly correct. It varies by species. For a start, not all species are hemaphrodites, and some of the ones that are will - under the right conditions - self fertilise rather than mating.

When hemaphrodite snails do mate, they usually both transfer sperm, and then produce eggs for the sperm they receive. However, producing eggs is metabolically costly so they have an immune-type reaction that destroys at least some of the received sperm. The ideal result for an individual snail is that all the sperm passed on meets and egg, and all the received sperm is destroyed - but of course if all snails were equal this would result in nobody producing any eggs and the species going extinct. So it's an arms race of stronger sperm and better immune systems and in any given mating 1 snail will have an advantage but overall it averages out.

But some species have also evolved a small calcium harpoon, which they attempt to fire at each other. Both snails in a mating pair will have this, but whoever is hit first doesn't get to fire in return. And the harpoon injects countermeasures that prevent the sperm destruction - so the successful shooter ensures its target will lay more eggs.

Slugs have slightly different systems. They engage in penis jousting and the winner gets to be the penetrator.

Amazing! The wisdom of the MN population is phenomenal.

So actually my children were describing slugs, but I now also know about snails. Thank you 😁

And (perhaps more importantly) hopefully any posters who want to think of people being "a mixture of the sexes" will realise that this can never apply to humans.

Obviously sex and gender identity are different: the former is a biological fact, the latter a belief that we all have an inner gendered essence. So (for believers), "a mixture of genders" might apply, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone's sex.

P0intsearching · 23/09/2024 20:12

Neinneinnein · 22/09/2024 11:43

Not to be pedantic, but some women aren't XX, as already stated (Turner Syndrome).
There is also a condition called Klinefelter syndrome - the presence of the Y gives male characteristics however they also have XX which results in feminine aspects. These people are often labelled intersex.
I get the idea of standing up for biological females, just not sure XX is the way to go.

People with Klinefelter syndrome are male.

As per someone else’s comment : let’s not overthink it!