Gisele Pelicot, utterly floored by this

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I am totally stunned by what happened to Gisele Pelicot, it is beyond horrific. The violation, the betrayal of trust, and that so many 'normal' men thought what they were doing was OK. I am struggling to find words. I'm not wanting to belittle all the other horrendous cases of violence against women. But to be drugged in your own bed by your husband and your husband allow other men to come in and rape you and he films it and he puts it on the Internet and encourages other men to do this to their wives. For over 10 years. What the actual f###? How much more of this abuse are women going to have to take before something is really done to stop it?

BBC News - Women moved by defiant Gisèle Pelicot in France mass rape trial
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5g24rr6lo

Thank you, how utterly ghastly.
In this instance, I wish they still had the death penalty.

And if he is accused now, how have they found out just now, his blood DNA ?

Yes, I think so.

I think they matched his DNA with semen found on the shoe of Estella B when he was arrested for upskirting, and let off with a fine, in 2010. They could have nicked him for that crime fourteen years ago. They didn't because...reasons!?

At least in France upskirting was considered a crime back then.

From the Mail article which I said was graphic:

It was during police interviews with Pélicot on remand in October 2022 that interrogators raised the Estella B. and Sophie Narme cases following requests from the newly-formed cold case unit in Nanterre, north-west of Paris.

This is when the DNA match to the 1999 Estella B case was finally made.

When confronted by the DNA evidence, during a third interrogation on the subject, Pélicot told officers in his interview statement: 'I'm going to tell you the truth. About this young woman who had to grow up and who is questioning herself. It's me.'

Pélicot, who was 46 at the time, said he had an uncontrollable 'urge' to approach her at the time, yet still denied he was intent on rape.
'What would have happened if she hadn't pulled away' he was asked.
'I don't know.'
'You were still well on your way to raping her.'
'I can't tell you.'
Later he insisted to the investigating judge that he had no plan to rape her, claiming he 'just intended to immobilize her (…), maybe to look at her.'

Hardly surprisingly, given the enormity of the case building against Pélicot, his protestations did not prevent him being charged with attempted rape with a weapon.

Investigators soon linked the case with the Sophie Narme one from December 4, 1991 in Paris, because of the disturbing similarities with the Estella B case.

Due to yet another unforgivable lapse in the machinery of justice, there is no DNA from Pélicot - nor any other attacker - in the Narme case.

Béatrice Zavarro, Pélicot's lawyer, said: 'The DNA in the case was lost by the sealed service, there is no evidence to link it.'

The judicial investigation into these two cases is 'nearing completion', according to the Nanterre prosecutor's office, meaning trials are likely in 2025.

Its not just 14 years ago, its dates back to 1991 (33 years?).

After his arrest in 2020, investigators implicated him in two other cases. In the fall of 2022, already under arrest, he was charged with the 1991 rape and murder of Sophie Narme, 23, in the 19th arrondissement of Paris. He denied the accusations brought by the cold case unit, dedicated to serial or unsolved crimes and based in Nanterre. These are accusations “based solely on conjecture,” denounced his lawyer, Béatrice Zavarro.

But Pélicot was also charged with an attempted rape in Seine-et-Marne in 1999. In this case, his DNA was found at the scene and he admitted the crime, but denied having used a weapon. The modus operandi was always the same: both women were drugged with ether “during a visit to an apartment; both victims were real estate agents,” according to the Nanterre prosecutor’s office. Dominique P. was also involved in the buying and selling of apartments.

Suspicions about previous crimes only emerged when the police began investigating the case on September 2, 2020, when the accused was caught in a supermarket in Carpentras (Vaucluse) filming up the skirts of several women with his phone. But it was not the first time, either.

On July 31, 2010, in another shopping center in Seine-et-Marne, he was also arrested for similar acts using a hidden camera inside a pen. He pleaded guilty and paid a fine of €100.

https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-09-10/dominique-pelicot-the-great-guy-who-was-a-monster.html

His DNA was matched to the rape of Estella B in 1999 in 2010, but they didn't do anything about it because the case had already been closed in 2001. He was not a suspect in these crimes until recently.

There is no DNA evidence linking him to the murder because it seems it was lost, as I linked and quoted below.

Police believe there are similarities in these two crimes which mean he is the prime suspect/alleged killer.

I just posted this as it is a more coherent list than other papers.

And that fact that a cold case team identified him after all those years shows how bungled the investigation at the time must have been.

But primarily the point is it would appear he has been an active sexual preditor for over 30 years.

Or at least from 1999. Can only wonder what he may have done.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13847613/Picturesque-home-respectable-suburb-Monster-Avignon.html
My god it gets worse and worse, and if not for his wifes stable career he would have nothing. A parasitic monster.

At least one murder and one attempted murder.

Asked about whether Gisele Pelicot had consented, Andy R. replied: "As the husband had given me permission, for me she agreed to it."

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????

Not just raping an unconcsious woman but having no qualms about it because in his mind women are men's property, and the "property" owner had given him permission.

Are these men still living in the Stone Age?

Quote from article at https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lived-lie-tearful-witness-tells-152142671.html

SALLY WILLIAMS meets the traumatised women of Avignon supporting and saluting rape victim Gisele Pelicot in court - and shudders with them at how ordinary the rapists all look | Daily Mail Online

I cannot believe these men are saying this and thinking it's ok.

I'm no lawyer but wouldn't the line of questioning to these scumbags be how far can a husband consent for his wife? if a husband gave you permission to cut his wife's hand off would that be ok etc.

I want the mayor to be confrontes with his own words... 'nobody died, there were no children involved, we can move on'.. with the reality that this man is likely to have murdered one woman and attempted to murder to another.

I want the court to be presented with evidence that these are statically unlikely to have been isolated events.. that man who get away with pushing boundaries are statistically more likely to commit crimes against women... that women and children are harmed in the creation of porn that it is very likely that these men were consumers of.

I want all of their search histories shared.. I want the world to know that when men get away with lurking in the shadows... this is where it leads... and not only is there immeasurable hurt to the women that we know about, here in the court but to the countless women who are controlled, silenced, ignored... harmed and killed... that out society refuses to see.

From the Guardian

.Some of the men had argued during police questioning that “if the husband was present it wasn’t rape” and “it’s his wife, he can do what he wants with her”. Gisèle

Just wow.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/20/everyone-here-is-disgusted-the-village-at-the-heart-of-the-trial-that-shook-france?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I wonder if they'll cleave to that should DP be convicted of the murders of the estate agents. "If I'd known he had a history of serial rape/murder, then perhaps I wouldn't have taken his word…".

I'd like to say it's a frankly unbelievable state of affairs but some obviously consider this to be a credible defence.

Dominique seems to have considered 'I was bored' as a credible defence. This whole thing left credibility behind a long time ago.

It sounds highly liked he raped and murdered that estate agent.

Aren't the circumstances for the woman he raped and attempted to kill almost identical.

I guess when you've ok'd it with yourself to attack, drug, rape, stab to death and discard a young woman ..... And gone on with your daily life;

...... raping and letting a load of men rape your drugged wife, is relatively 'minor".

Yes, I agree @HazelPlayer

Men don't even want to be part of the solution.

^

This is the absolute crux of the matter.

They basically don't care.

Even though they have wives, daughters, mothers etc.

They don't even want to be part of the solution

There were no children involved, no women were killed, the family will have a hard time but they can rebuild. After all, nobody died,”

^

If the victim would have been a man (i.e. raped 80 times), do you think the mayor would have said that?

wtf! I thought she specifically wanted it open to the public?

The behind closed doors is absolutely not what she wanted, surely.

However, I imagine that in that small geographical area, everyone know who the accused are. There will be so many "ordinary" men missing from the community. Men not at work, children asking where their grandfather is.

I don't understand why they can't issue screen grabs from the videos of the as yet unidentified other 30. Perhaps it can't be done without showing images of GP.

So many abhorrent men, one heroic woman.

For what I understand it’s all the videos that will be shown behind closed doors because ‘those videos are simply too upsetting’ (according to the judge)

The thing is, I think that exactly BECAUSE they are really upsetting that they should be shown.
Just like there was upsetting videos of accidents wo seatbelts to convince people to wear them.