Gisele Pelicot, utterly floored by this

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I am totally stunned by what happened to Gisele Pelicot, it is beyond horrific. The violation, the betrayal of trust, and that so many 'normal' men thought what they were doing was OK. I am struggling to find words. I'm not wanting to belittle all the other horrendous cases of violence against women. But to be drugged in your own bed by your husband and your husband allow other men to come in and rape you and he films it and he puts it on the Internet and encourages other men to do this to their wives. For over 10 years. What the actual f###? How much more of this abuse are women going to have to take before something is really done to stop it?

BBC News - Women moved by defiant Gisèle Pelicot in France mass rape trial
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5g24rr6lo

I’m going to say it’s society nit willing to tell those men to behave. A society that is accepting if women been raped

'bored in retirement'???

So sorry @Bodeganights

There was a paedophile ring in my city late 80’s/early 90’s involving many, including family members (including some females) and friends and associates. One of the victims wrote a book about it.

One of the points that stood out was this predated the internet, where it’s easy now to contact likeminded sick individuals. How did these people seek out and meet other abusers that were willing to participate? Just doesn’t bear thinking about. We’re not talking about one or two either.

I’m glad you’ve made it to the other side.

my point was the internet didnt bring this shit to life

I dont think any said it did.

The point being made was that the internet has now made abuse of women and children easier to organise.

And that many men who might not have taken part because they weren't in touch IRL with other perverts, can now seek them out.

Its horrendous that any woman or girl is being abused, particularly when enabled by family.

And the hope in the past that some sort of social norms, or concerns about public reputation would stop some men, has been swept away.

Abuse is no longer some hidden activity, but something actively encouraged and advertised via the internet.

@Bodeganights for being a survivor.

Yep 🤯🤯🤯

From the little I remember, newspaper ads, careful conversations, interfamilial, top shelf in newsagent leading to under counter stuff, things like that.

I did a lot of research back in the 90s ish about how they found each other, but yeah ads and conversations were the main gist I got. Of course the internet would tell me more now, but I wont search. It would send me into a tailspin.

Some times were like 30 kids, 100 adults, some times were 3 kids, 15 adults and any number in between. I suppose it was who could 'babysit' on the day. My stepfather "took me to work" or "out for the day trainspotting"

GP was also gave some statements. Incl the fact the whole thing made her feel she was the perpetrator that had to prove her case rather than the victim. Pointed towards the comment of one of those men asking her for forgiveness and understanding. Maybe he should have wondered about her hurt at the time she said,

oh god, asking for her forgiveness and UNDERSTANDING

What the hell?!

And so devastating to read what was done to you bodeganights 💐🥲

Like lots of things this sounds good (tho I have to admit to a smile) but if course nothing like this would ever happen because men will always be making the rules. And I can just imagine the uproar (no doubt from some women too) over the issuing of such licences.

CassieMaddox I know a woman in her mid 80s who, after a lifetime of experiencing and witnessing bad behaviour from men, says we should just keep a few to breed from. I think she is half joking but I sense the anger in her.

Banality of evil

https://archive.ph/Qe1EX paywall bypass

https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/gisele-pelicot-and-what-we-know-about-her-alleged-rapists-gm8wv8x2x

They should not be allowed to wear masks.

Another article with a little more about the rapists

https://archive.ph/9IaEp paywall bypass

https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/gisele-pelicot-husband-dominique-trial-co-defendants-rz9qbw8jh

According to the article some of them did come from a little further afield than I previously believed. It's astonishing what men will risk for a fuck. Not what it'll cost the woman they're using, I know to them she's just an object.

As if it couldn't get any worse - anyone know if this tweet is true?

x.com/aak1880/status/1837099382887346553?s=46

For those not on twitter it's apparently a video of one of the defence lawyers miming to "wake me up before you go go".

Obviously it's really important to have solid defence lawyers to avoid miscarriages of justice but they shouldn't be taunting victims of crime.

It seems to be on her Instagram she really should tone down on the foundation

I have a daughter with PCOS, but that is one heck of a five o clock shadow for a woman. And a complete lack of empathy for a victim of multiple rapes.

Did remind me a bit of the 4th plinth, but I put that down to the trowelling on of make-up. I've no reason to believe she's anything other than a born female with a staggering lack of empathy and self-awareness.

Thanks for that Times article..

'One of the defendants, Jean-Pierre Maréchal, 63, has become known as Dominique’s “disciple”, having drugged his own wife and raped or attempted to rape her at least a dozen times with Dominique between 2015 and 2020.
Maréchal’s wife told investigators that she did not want to press charges as a civil complainant against Dominique or her husband, the father of her five teenage and adult children, because he had always been a good father and husband.'....
How can it be that this man cannot be prosecuted without a civil case? This man should not be near any woman .. why are the rapists of adult women not treated like rapists of children? Why is rape of adult women not seen as abhorrent? and why are rapists not seen as a potential danger to all women? Why are women not protected from these dangerous men?

The other quote that shocked me... I will look for it in Fremch.. the translation was 'there is rape, and there is rape without intention, there is no rape'... does this mean that rape without intention is not rape? So the defence is.. I did not frame it in my mind as rape so therefore it is not rape??!? When we will get to the stage that sex without explicit consent is rape and is a punishable crime with consequences that these men cannot be in the presence of women without supervision and cannot be allowed to have contact with other men who are deemed to be ar risk of being a rapist.

When will we stop minimising rape.. stop saying because no one died or it was not a child, it is OK. The underlying message seems to be that many men think the purpose of women is sex and how that sex happens is irrelevant. The red lines are children and death.. anything else is 'natural' and it is the fault of femminists who put ideas into the heads of women that they should have autonomy over their own bodies.

The other quote in the article.. someone will get hurt, stabbed or their house burned... why is the hurt of women excused and minimised? And why are these hateful comments repeated by journalists without someone pointing out that these are serious crimes, rape is grievous and heinous offence, that the minimisation of the sexploitation of women is deeply harmful and should be a matter of concern at all levels of society, not minimised so families can move on and recover from the incident.

When we link the posession of violent images of rape, sexual harassment and pushing the boundaries of women with the potential to rape? When will we recognise that the gateway crimes of sharing images and upskirting need to be treated seriously. If we speed, it is accepted that we are at risk of progressing to the more serious crime of death by dangerous driving so we are sanctioned with fines, reeducation and driving bans, this should be in place for crimes of misogyny.

Sex without explicit consent is rape. Rape is a crime, in all it's forms. Anyone who commits rape is a pontential danger to all women.

Arggh .... ranty...... angry... .. fury..... and preaching to the converted... grateful to have this space to vent.

I will rant with you! It's the same rage I have about the "reasonable belief" clause in British law.

It's clear to anyone with more than a peanut size brain that an unconscious woman cannot consent, so the "intent" or "belief" of the man is irrelevant. The only purpose of those clauses in these kinds of cases is to let sexually entitled men off when they use their wives as wank socks.

Absolutely gross. And yet, being passed off as "NAMALT" and Dominique Pelicot is a monster....when a defence to some of his action (raping unconscious wife) is literally written in law

If that’s genuine, that is shocking beyond belief. Sociopathic even.

Absolute disgusting cowards that they are hiding their faces. They do that to a woman and then try to hide away? Utter cowards. I hope they are all publicly exposed.

So many trying to portray themselves as the victim. Utterly abhorrent and disgusting. That the defense lawyer should be playing that card is despicable.

The defence lawyer Isabelle Crépin-Dehaene said her clients’ wives were terrified.

When Warwick university students were disciplined for their ‘rape chat’ a few years back, others rushed to their defence (can’t you take a joke). In response one young female student commented that replace the word ‘rape’ with any other serious crime and you’d never get such a dismissive, flippant and uncaring response.

Edited to add that the mention of some of these men also being found with CSA images on their phones/computers. Almost like a throwaway comment rather than an indication of their morality and mindset in terms of using others, including children, for their own sexual fetish and perversity.

some of them did come from a little further afield than I previously believed

Yes this was discussed earlier in the thread (I think the number was less than 10) and links into how big a part acess to the internet played in this, and probably other cases.

That is what is so extraordinary about it. And propably something that many people didn't know ie thinking porn on the internet is little more than having online the magazines that used to be kept on the top shelve.

The internet has not only enabled these sick men to find each other, but to then compete to go further and further in finding ways to abuse women and girls. And ever expand their depravity to wider groups of men.

Unbearable.

“I make no illusions to myself about the sentence,” he says, toying with an unlit cigarette between his fingers. “I know that I am being led to the abattoir.”....

'Yet the man sitting opposite us attempts to portray himself as a victim. He rails at length against the justice system, the media, so-called “feminist activists” and the Pelicot family.
Meanwhile, sitting beside him for parts of the discussion, his wife, who has ostensibly stood by him despite his alleged crime, said simply that it was “very hard”, and added quietly while politely serving coffee: “It hurts your heart.”

THANK GOD the adoption didnt go through, poor poor woman, but all the wives are victims and are now being victimised again by their fear, horror and the taunts and threats of their neighbours.

Jfc, this all makes me sick and so fucking angry. Who the FUCK do these men think they are? That they're just entitled to help themselves to women's bodies like we're nothing. Part of me would love to be able to have a conversation with one of these rapists, find out what the hell is going on in their tiny minds, but I know that they'd lie and obfuscate and it wouldn't serve any useful purpose.

On the local news earlier was a report that a woman had been sexually assaulted last night in a park about 3 minutes from my house. I hate the fact that my first, very brief, thought was what was she doing walking there between 3 and 4 in the morning. My dad described the perpetrator as an evil wretch, somehow I find that a more damning insult than the usual swearwords that I come up with.

I don't know, I'm just ranting now because I feel so helpless against VAWG. It's everywhere and I don't know what we can do about it. It's fucking shit and any man who doesn't realise that can quite frankly go to hell and stay there.

What I find terrifying is that these men are ordinary men, family men with children and daughters of their own, from all professions and walks of life. This is what I have learnt over the past decade or so. I used to think that rapist men were a small minority, over there somewhere, but they are not. They are just ordinary men who take the opportunity when it is presented. It’s terrifying how many men will rape women if the opportunity arises.

I read today that the UK male prisoner population convicted of sex offences has risen from 5000 in 2001 to 15000 now. That must be partly due to increased reporting and conviction efforts, but I feel as if some of it must be due to online porn. It is a lot easier than it used to be to concentrate and pursue criminal and abusive elements in your sexuality now. It doesn't change what these men turned out to be capable of, but how many would even have thought about doing it if there hadn't been a website making it seem possible?