Page 9 | Gisele Pelicot, utterly floored by this

twoboystwodogs · 2024-09-14T15:55:29+00:00

I am totally stunned by what happened to Gisele Pelicot, it is beyond horrific. The violation, the betrayal of trust, and that so many 'normal' men thought what they were doing was OK. I am struggling to find words. I'm not wanting to belittle all the other horrendous cases of violence against women. But to be drugged in your own bed by your husband and your husband allow other men to come in and rape you and he films it and he puts it on the Internet and encourages other men to do this to their wives. For over 10 years. What the actual f###? How much more of this abuse are women going to have to take before something is really done to stop it? BBC News - Women moved by defiant Gisèle Pelicot in France mass rape trial [[https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5g24rr6lo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5g24rr6lo]]

YellowphantGrey · 17/09/2024 19:20

MarieDeGournay · 17/09/2024 16:45

Castration removes the physical ability to rape, but not the will to rape.
Given that rape is about power over women, the castrated rapist would just choose another way to inflict humiliation and injury. It might be non-sexual violence, but it could also be rape with an object.
Castration might work if rape was just about sex, but rape is much more than a horrific individual sex act, it's also a means of control of all women, by creating a climate of threat and danger we are all subjected to.

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Well I thought that's I'd read previously but couldn't find anything. So whilst the physical urge has been dealt with, the mental urge is problematic and could turn violent rather than sex and violence

lcakethereforeIam · 17/09/2024 19:26

Gisèlle was pimped out by her husband for other men to rape. Castrating men like him wouldn't completely curb that sort of crime. I suppose in order for the medical or surgical castration to be carried out he would have been arrested, charged and sentenced, so any new woman might have fair warning. But it doesn't help the initial victim.

Silkinside · 17/09/2024 20:05

gardenmusic · 17/09/2024 18:33

Just heard one of the (male) locals on the UK news 'The family can get over this - no one died, no one died'
That's OK then.

JFC. Men have no clue.

IwantToRetire · 17/09/2024 20:08

Again going back to some of yesterday's comments, heard on the news that there were only 4 local men involved and others from nearby, but again it seems the "freedom" to behave out side of normal limits was enabled by the internet.

BrakesOn · 17/09/2024 20:22

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 15/09/2024 10:47

I've spoken to only two men to express my anger about this case. One is a close family member who got a bit 'calm down dear'. I'd hoped for better than that. The other is my DH who was slow to react at first but now really does seem to get it. He actually wrote about it. https://substack.com/home/post/p-148842070

A snippet:

"TLDR;
To men:
Men need to stand up as men and stand with women by first examining ourselves. Pay attention to what is actually happening before it is too late. If women’s concerns continue to be subject to gaslighting and dismissal just to protect the fragile male ego, then anger will keep building, as it rightly should, and men had better wake up soon because the next station for this train is Rage Central and you don’t want to see the stations after that… but then again, if you don’t play your part in changing the direction of things, you won’t need to be worrying about mosquitoes on your testicles (if you still have any)."

Edited

I hope you've discussed with your husband why the extract of his writing you have quoted here is so disturbing. Men shouldn't do these things because if it gets worse then they might have to start being scared of retaliation or revenge? Ffs.

I haven't read his whole article, and won't as this short bit is very off-putting, but his opinions here are not those that I would be proud to share.

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 17/09/2024 20:27

BrakesOn · 17/09/2024 20:22

I hope you've discussed with your husband why the extract of his writing you have quoted here is so disturbing. Men shouldn't do these things because if it gets worse then they might have to start being scared of retaliation or revenge? Ffs.

I haven't read his whole article, and won't as this short bit is very off-putting, but his opinions here are not those that I would be proud to share.

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I found that very disturbing too.

Alucard55 · 17/09/2024 20:37

There were four stories on the ITV news tonight about men and their violent and preditory nature. Even my husband commented on it and has stopped with the NAMALT.

I think it's astounding that on one news program there is four stories, from different parts of the world concerning men from different walks of life and the thing that connects them is their appalling treatment and views of women and children.

The disgusting bastards

Kyle Clifford
Dominique Pelicot
Hugh Edwards
Puff Daddy

DuesToTheDirt · 17/09/2024 20:50

Silkinside · 17/09/2024 20:05

JFC. Men have no clue.

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Obviously it's difficult to assess the general opinions of groups of people without proper statistical studies; newspaper quotes are not that, they are just a small selection from people willing to be interviewed. However, I have been really struck by the pattern of the interviewees...

women: shocked, horrified, scared, disgusted, angry
men: "it wasn't that bad, she didn't die", "at least she wasn't conscious when it happened", "it's just a local affair, why are people worked up about this?"

If we add to the actual rapists, the men who minimise it and just don't see what all the fuss is about, there don't seem to be many good men left. Honestly, if I wasn't already married I think I'd just give up on men.

CormorantStrikesBack · 17/09/2024 20:53

It seems to have gone quiet in the media the last few days. Has the husband appeared back in court since going to hospital?

FannyCann · 17/09/2024 21:05

IwantToRetire · 17/09/2024 17:55

Just going back to some of yesterday's discussion, but according to a news report I heard that "husband" admitted to the crimes (with all the I suffered to excuses) but also made clear that getting access to the internet in 2011 just opened up so many "opportunities" he just couldn't help himself. Let alone the opportunity to meet up with like minded men.

I am not in any way excusing him as an individual, but what the interent has done (partly through being dominated by men in the early days) is that it created this value free space where men could behave how they really wanted to, and none of the social norms, or women nagging them to behave, needed to be bothered about. A bit like a virtual Lord of the Fleis.

That's whats so blatant. Is that without social controls men cannot be trusted.

A curfew wouldn't be enough.

Discussing it with my daughter.
For all the conveniences and pleasures - eg discussions on this site, we agreed we'd rather get rid of the internet and go back to days without internet.

MJOverInvestor · 17/09/2024 21:08

LittleGreenDuck · 14/09/2024 18:48

Moving away from the absolute rotten scum that are all the men involved in this, Gisele is handling herself with such bravery and dignity, she's an absolute wonder. I know she has her daughter supporting her, I hope she has a lot more support behind the scenes as well. I don't know how she can ever come to terms with this. What a woman.

And her sons, it’s worth adding

IwantToRetire · 17/09/2024 21:10

CormorantStrikesBack · 17/09/2024 20:53

It seems to have gone quiet in the media the last few days. Has the husband appeared back in court since going to hospital?

Its all over the news because he confessed.

Very moving pictures on C4 of Gisele Pelicot being applauded as she walked down the street with women coming to give her flowers and hug her.

https://www.channel4.com/news/husband-in-france-mass-rape-case-admits-all-charges

MJOverInvestor · 17/09/2024 21:17

IwantToRetire · 17/09/2024 21:10

Its all over the news because he confessed.

Very moving pictures on C4 of Gisele Pelicot being applauded as she walked down the street with women coming to give her flowers and hug her.

https://www.channel4.com/news/husband-in-france-mass-rape-case-admits-all-charges

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her courage is extraordinary, and it’s lovely to see this courage being acknowledged outside the courtroom

Grammarnut · 17/09/2024 22:17

Silkinside · 17/09/2024 20:05

JFC. Men have no clue.

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I just heard him. Not a clue. Not one.

WanOban · 17/09/2024 22:59

Alucard55 · 17/09/2024 20:37

There were four stories on the ITV news tonight about men and their violent and preditory nature. Even my husband commented on it and has stopped with the NAMALT.

I think it's astounding that on one news program there is four stories, from different parts of the world concerning men from different walks of life and the thing that connects them is their appalling treatment and views of women and children.

The disgusting bastards

Kyle Clifford
Dominique Pelicot
Hugh Edwards
Puff Daddy

There is a BIG problem

The internet and social media is facilitating all of this. Introducing perpetrators to ideas and networks. It’s really worrying and shocking that controls have not been effectively put in place by our government to stop these crimes from happening.

Its only going to get worse and I’m scared for our children.

DrBlackbird · 17/09/2024 23:38

That husband lies and lies. I don’t believe him for a minute about not touching his daughter or grandchildren. Enraging and horrific beyond belief.

maltravers · 18/09/2024 00:17

IwantToRetire · 17/09/2024 21:10

Its all over the news because he confessed.

Very moving pictures on C4 of Gisele Pelicot being applauded as she walked down the street with women coming to give her flowers and hug her.

https://www.channel4.com/news/husband-in-france-mass-rape-case-admits-all-charges

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Yes, hats off to her. Gisele, you are a brave and dignified woman, I applaud you too.

Bodeganights · 18/09/2024 06:50

CassieMaddox · 17/09/2024 13:40

No. We only can't prove he did anything. I highly highly doubt he just randomly started being obsessed with strangers raping his unconscious wife after years of "being responsible".

At the very least with a license he'd have to educate himself on lack of consent through drink/drugs

Either that or ban porn/sex chat rooms so men are less likely find ways to meet these other weirdos

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Back in the 70s, when zero internet existed, these men still found each other.

Being a child at the time and my stepfather hawking me out to many men/groups over years and years, I know for a fact the internet isnt the only way they find each other.

I would guess they'd go back to the old fashioned method of finding like minded men.

BrakesOn · 18/09/2024 07:54

@Bodeganights I'm so sorry

turbonerd · 18/09/2024 09:30

Oh @Bodeganights that is awful!

And no, it is not the internet. It is men not being able to control themselves, or willing to control themselves. They are not fit for society.

Bodeganights · 18/09/2024 10:28

turbonerd · 18/09/2024 09:30

Oh @Bodeganights that is awful!

And no, it is not the internet. It is men not being able to control themselves, or willing to control themselves. They are not fit for society.

Thanks @turbonerd and @BrakesOn.

It was a very long time ago, hes died since thank fuck.
I'll add I wasn't the only child in the ring, others brought daughters, sons, grandchildren occasionally.
On another thread about ending your life being legal, I've put that at 22 I would've taken it as a way out. But now I'm older, many many hours of therapy and life experience and having children has changed me.
I hope the others also had help in the years since.

But mostly my point was the internet didnt bring this shit to life, it's always been there, it's still there, see grooming gangs. If I thought giving up the internet and mobile phones would save women and children, I'd be all for it, but sadly it would slow it down but never stop.

turbonerd · 18/09/2024 12:02

Silkinside · 16/09/2024 15:25

Its common enough for the name of this style of porn and sexual practice to have made it into the Collins dictionary.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bukovina

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That is disturbing and sad. It is strange to realise that this is the environment we live in. Where far too many of our fellow human beings find this behaviour acceptable, in a weird way though since they do know it is reprehensible.

newtlover · 18/09/2024 13:58

I wonder what the other defendants will do now
will he be a witness for the prosecution?

DuesToTheDirt · 18/09/2024 17:01

Bodeganights · 18/09/2024 10:28

Thanks @turbonerd and @BrakesOn.

It was a very long time ago, hes died since thank fuck.
I'll add I wasn't the only child in the ring, others brought daughters, sons, grandchildren occasionally.
On another thread about ending your life being legal, I've put that at 22 I would've taken it as a way out. But now I'm older, many many hours of therapy and life experience and having children has changed me.
I hope the others also had help in the years since.

But mostly my point was the internet didnt bring this shit to life, it's always been there, it's still there, see grooming gangs. If I thought giving up the internet and mobile phones would save women and children, I'd be all for it, but sadly it would slow it down but never stop.

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I see it like gun murders in the US. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Sure, but guns make it a hell of a lot easier.

DreamHolidays · 18/09/2024 18:00

CormorantStrikesBack · 17/09/2024 20:53

It seems to have gone quiet in the media the last few days. Has the husband appeared back in court since going to hospital?

Quiet in the U.K. but not in France!

Yes the H is back in Court.
Says he has raped her. That he was bored in retirement. That all the men who came knew it was rape.

GP was also gave some statements. Incl the fact the whole thing made her feel she was the perpetrator that had to prove her case rather than the victim. Pointed towards the comment of one of those men asking her for forgiveness and understanding. Maybe he should have wondered about her hurt at the time she said,