Dr Vassili Crispi (he/they), who brought a motion calling for the BMA to initiate an evidence-led critique of the Cass Review’s methodology

[TorghunKhan]

https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/64466/1/the-fight-against-britains-trans-healthcare-ban-cass-review-puberty-blockers

i am shocked at the so called facts here, but - know your enemy right?

So he thinks Cass was biased but she was not the first to raise the alarm bells on this, were the Scandanavian countries that had pressed pause well before Cass came out also led by secretly evil TERFS?

Yes. And even before Dr Cass released her finding, a German team released their review earlier this year that said the same thing.

I remember once trying to explain this to someone on the AIBU board who declared Dr Cass was just a bigot, blah blah blah, but they couldn’t acknowledge the other European countries who had released the same statements before hers who were completely independent. It is like those countries were invisible.

It is like in sports, how Hilton and Lundberg’s review found pretty much the same findings as Harper but Hilton and Lundberg were considered hateful bigots and presenting false conclusions. And this was after Harper’s was released too. There is a significant disconnect when the results are not convenient to activist position.

”Academic
neurosurgery trainee”

what’s that then? Hethey’s going to be an academic brain surgeon? Doing technically difficult operations on nerves as part of research projects?

sounds a lot harder than just lobbing off healthy bits off physically healthy people.

"We need to place the Cass Review within its political context. It’s coming from a gender-critical government; it’s coming from a panel of people who are closely associated with politicians such as [Ron] DeSantis in Florida"

The far right is the modern day the Spanish inquisition.

My recollection was that Sayid Javid was clever and careful. Rather than act impulsively, following his gut, he commissioned Cass, and allowed policy to flow from science. Frustrating at the time, but the Cass report is providing both valuable and influential.

FWIW I know people who know Cass well. I am not sure they really like her but absolutely give her credit for being a first rate and principled medic.

Quite why our Crispi should think that research is invalidated because it was commissioned by a democratically elected government is beyond me.

Quite why our Crispi should think that research is invalidated because it was commissioned by a democratically elected government is beyond me.

The research didn't say what hethey wanted it to say and in their authoritarian, ideological, prejudiced mind that just cannot be allowed.

Dr Cass also had an article published yesterday, how different is this to Dr Crispi's interview?

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/gender-identity-services-for-children-and-young-people-navigating-uncertainty-through-communication-collaboration-and-care/D0F6B23F37C3D82B38C2470DF65854C9

"If we are to do better for children and young people with gender-related distress, there must be an end to hostile and aggressive discourse, a coming together of professional organisations and the humility to acknowledge the limits of the science and that no one has all the answers. We must also recognise that this is a group of young people who share all the same aspirations, joys, emotional growing pains, triumphs and traumas as every other adolescent, and respond accordingly"

Cass also says in that article there are more than one truth.

im not a world expert on paediatrics or anything at all, but, I’d argue with her that truth is, by definition, either solitary or it is only a flawed theory.

@Seriestwo
Was she not perhaps meaning in the simple sense of people having parts of the truth in “their truth” & it being a bloody nightmare to uncover THE truth because of the level of polarisation?

I think she was, I have admired her diplomacy in this - but “their truth” is not a scientific concept. Mind you, I suppose, neither is truth, only proven fact.

so, yes, you’re right and I shall dial down my huffing.

I think her level of restraint, tact & diplomacy is astonishing. I know she’s a paeds specialist, but there’s a difference between working with children & having to try to work with people who’re acting like the worst-behaved of all children… I suppose it helps she knows they’re talking absolute nonsense, but it must still be unpleasant.

The picture on the article is not VC, it’s some random demonstrator.

VC is a bloke. His picture from the BMA site.

His replies are full of sweeping, spurious claims. I will never understand why medical practitioners behave like this.
He’s specialising in Neurosurgery!!!

Observer:

The British Medical Association has threatened the reputation of all UK doctors by rejecting the findings of the landmark Cass review of transgender healthcare, a leading member of the BMA has told the Observer.
Dr Jacky Davis claims that the doctors’ union’s stance on the Cass review is “irrational”, has created a “fracture” between its leadership and the grassroots doctors it represents and left the medical profession “in an uproar”.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/sep/07/bma-stance-on-cass-review-of-transgender-care-has-damaged-its-reputation

I wonder why he hates women so much.

Shades of Owen Jones I would say.

An article on the BMA's recent vote which discusses the 'evidence' on which BMA council members are basing their rejection of the Cass Report findings:

https://www.voidifremoved.co.uk/p/the-bma-council-shames-itself

'However, while the dissent has been widely covered, what has not really received sufficient attention is the evidence they based this decision on.

In the statement, they make two citations:

• A preprint paper titled “Critically appraising the Cass Review“
• A white paper from the self-styled “Yale Integrity Project” titled “An evidence based critique of the Cass Review”

This is the entire basis on which 21 members of the BMA’s council voted to publicly critique the Cass Review, and bring the entire BMA into disrepute.
Neither of these is a peer-reviewed publication and both are extraordinarily bad in a number of ways, none of which inspires much confidence in the objectivity and reasonableness of those who used them to push this decision onto the BMA.

Both are also a continuation of the process of deeply interconnected source laundering I have already documented here, all produced in service of attacking and discrediting any and all evidence that does not support the so-called “affirmative model”. These are simply the next iteration of an existing echo chamber of interconnected activists all repeating each others’ talking points in a variety of venues, giving the illusion of breadth and independence. That the BMA council has now lent these arguments credence is an embarrassment to the organisation.'

He only graduated in 2021 according to the GMC registry so there is zero chance he is in a neurosurgical registrar training post. Currently listed as being an Academic Clinical Fellow (ACF) - very junior post which might lead to him applying for PhD funding in the future. Describing himself as a neurosurgical trainee is really pushing it - he will be eligible to apply to neurosurgical registrar posts in the future subject to passing general surgical exams and doing several more years training.

For clarity, that's Dr V Crispi I'm referring to.

There's a lot of citation laundering and qualification inflation going on in the group of American activists objecting to the Cass Review; it looks like it's jumped the Atlantic 😬🙄

I don’t really think this person thought what they said through at all

Never a truer word spoken!

What report that this?

I had understood that the Cass review was the biggest of its type. Were there others?

(Just because this is such a contentious matter I am asking purely because I find who has said what bewildering, also I have some anti-GC friends who I suspect in their enthusiasm are misrepresenting what has been said.)

@Quodraceratops so what you mean is he identifies as a neurosurgeon? Despite actually being barely more than an FY2.

Talk about the tail wagging the dog…

Here’s a link to some info

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5015095-new-finnish-study-on-gender-affirming-care-and-suicide-ideation?reply=133359089